Sara Dietschy on AI, iOS 26 is Less Glassy, Meta Poaches Apple AI Models Exec

Stephen Robles

They call me mister Glass. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. Apple dialed back its liquid glass design in the latest beta, so we're gonna get into that. Is the f one movie that good? It's making a lot at the box office.

Blue Sky is trying really hard to be exed and a ton more. Plus, we have a very special guest. This episode is brought to you by Agency and 1Password. I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles, joined as always by Jason. How's it going, Jason?

Jason Aten

It's good. It's very good. Have to turn the air conditioning off.

Stephen Robles

Alright. I'm a cut you off immediately because we have a very special guest we have to get.

Jason Aten

I know you didn't really wanna know, so I just figured No.

Stephen Robles

I didn't really know. I just, you know, was trying to be cursed.

Jason Aten

This is my only moment. I figured I'd stretch it out as long as

Stephen Robles

I could. That was it. You can now, you can step away from the mic because we very special guest, Sarah Dietschy Rhymes with Peachy. Sarah, thanks so much for being here.

Sara Dietschy

Thank you for having me. Getting back into the Internet world. So I'm so excited.

Stephen Robles

Yes. I've been a longtime fan of your YouTube work, and then my teenage son inadvertently became a fan of John Hill's skateboard videos. Yep. And we made that connection. And deep cut, I actually have the book.

Sara Dietschy

Oh my gosh. I hold on. Can I take a picture

Stephen Robles

of that? Yeah. We are recording, just so you know. I mean, this is

Sara Dietschy

Oh my gosh. I'm gonna send it immediately to John. Okay. He's gonna be so happy because both of us are kind of trying new things in our life right now, career wise. And so he has actually gone very deep in that and you'll be happy to know that he has a four book box set coming out.

So he went from one book to four books in like only a few months.

Stephen Robles

That's awesome.

Sara Dietschy

So thank you for supporting. That means so much.

Stephen Robles

Of course, super exciting, written and illustrated by John Hill. It says it right there on the cover. And lots of little fun guys on the back. He drew all these, Like, came up with them?

Sara Dietschy

Yep. Yep. Yep.

Stephen Robles

That's super fun. Did you enjoy the book? Of course. No. I did enjoy the book.

Sara Dietschy

Been the brave merchant.

Stephen Robles

When you have three kids, it's it's helpful to, you know, figure out words for emotions and learn how to communicate about it. And so I was excited for for his series. So I'll be getting the new ones too. So, yeah. Oh my gosh.

Very cool.

Sara Dietschy

He's gonna be so happy.

Stephen Robles

Did you happen to know the movie quote at the beginning? They call me mister glass. Do have any idea what that is? Not at all. Not at all.

Jason, you know,

Jason Aten

do you I don't know

Stephen Robles

the name

Jason Aten

of the movie, but I think it's the M. Night Shyamalan sequel to Unbreakable. Right? Because that's mister Glass.

Stephen Robles

That's very

Jason Aten

Mister Glass. It's it's it's the second one. Right? It's not Unbreakable. Is it is it what's it called?

Stephen Robles

No. No. Says it at the end of the first one.

Jason Aten

Unbreakable. Got it.

Stephen Robles

Yeah. Because then you have split and then you have like Someone called you. I'll just I like superhero stuff. And so, you know, Mr. Glass, Liquid Glass.

I felt like it was appropriate. But Mhmm. Anyway, we wanted to do some quick five star review shout outs. So many of you are dumping five star reviews all over the world. Thank you to desperately try to get us back up to a five star show.

We're a 4.9 star show, Sarah, and I don't know how many it's gonna take.

Sara Dietschy

Why did I come on?

Stephen Robles

Wow. This is why, ladies and gentlemen, this is why we need five stars. But thank you for the five star reviews. Asim0508 from The USA loves the podcast. No names available anymore from The USA.

Go to username. Said a hotdog is a sandwich. I don't know if we have time to get into that. Sarah, is a hotdog a sandwich? What's your hot take?

Sara Dietschy

Yes.

Stephen Robles

Alright. Well, the show's over. Mac McAngew from The USA, thank you for that. Trick two zero two from The UK, loves the show. This was another question, a preference question.

Three finger drag on Mac, our thoughts, which I think is a setting, like, for the trackpad. What do you guys do? No.

Jason Aten

No? Isn't that just to swipe between spaces?

Stephen Robles

No. It's to, like, drag a to move a window around. You can do a three fingers on the trackpad, like, on the

Jason Aten

If you have to explain if you if you have to explain it, it's no.

Sara Dietschy

I mean, I use it to, yeah, swipe up to see

Stephen Robles

my windows Sure. Beyond that.

Jason Aten

Yeah. On a Mac? If I I'm doing it right now and it's swiping between spaces.

Stephen Robles

You have to you have to enable it, Jason. You know

Sara Dietschy

what's crazy? I don't think I've used spaces in, like, five years.

Stephen Robles

Really?

Jason Aten

Yeah. I also didn't either until just now, but when I swiped it opened into another space.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. So I didn't even my brain didn't even go to spaces. I used to use it all the time. I just minimize stuff and I don't know.

Jason Aten

I don't even use

Stephen Robles

spaces anymore. Forgot that was a thing. We have a bunch of asinine preferences we ask our listeners and viewers about. And so Spaces, yes or no listeners. You can leave your five star rating review this week.

I use Spaces all the time. I'm using it right now because I have like all of our podcast. Like I have Notion, Riverside, and my Safari tab group in one space, and then I have all my other junk in another space all the time. I have

Sara Dietschy

a question, Steven.

Stephen Robles

Yes, please.

Sara Dietschy

How did you end up to be the face of Riverside?

Stephen Robles

I work for Riverside full time, full disclosure.

Sara Dietschy

Do you?

Stephen Robles

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sara Dietschy

That's I didn't know that.

Jason Aten

Yeah. Just you just thought you had the best sponsorship promotional deal in the history of the world. Somehow. Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

No. I literally Yeah. Just see you as a fellow YouTuber.

Stephen Robles

Well, thank you.

Sara Dietschy

Oh my gosh. I had no idea. Were were you there from the beginning?

Stephen Robles

I wasn't so I actually just crossed three years working for Riverside. I had a whole life before YouTube, lots of other jobs. And I transitioned and I applied for Riverside. I had just started little videos on my personal YouTube channel. It was not big at all, but they hired me.

And so I make videos for them, and then on my personal channel.

Sara Dietschy

Dang. I didn't even know that. Well, okay. I don't wanna derail this, but I just made my first, like, course type thing. It's called studio setup.

Oh. Very expensive URL. And Riverside has a module in my, little course when it comes to remote podcasting.

Stephen Robles

Oh my well, that's great to hear. They they would love they'll love to hear that. I'll send this little clip over to them. Perfect. They'll be very happy

Sara Dietschy

about send you a code to

Stephen Robles

check. Oh, yeah, great. Wait, so did you get .com? You got that domain.com?

Sara Dietschy

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Stephen Robles

Listen, this is gonna be a little bit of a scattershot episode. I'm just letting everybody know because we're taking a lot of rabbit trails. How many domains do you have unused

Sara Dietschy

Oh my gosh.

Stephen Robles

You wait. First of all, where where do you have them? Where do you get all your domains?

Sara Dietschy

I'm a GoDaddy girl. Okay? I know that's painfully millennial. Yeah. But I think all the cool kids now use Namecheap.

I didn't even know

Stephen Robles

that was

Sara Dietschy

a thing or a cheap name or something.

Stephen Robles

Oh, Namecheap is a thing, but like both of those are terrible. I don't know why. Well, what do you use? Hover. Hover.com.

Yeah. I've never heard of that. Are you kidding me? My life. Are you kidding me?

I've never

Sara Dietschy

heard of Hover. I have never heard of I'm telling you. What? Something works. You know, you just stick with it.

I think domains are one of those things where once you're on one, you're not gonna transfer your domains to another place, you know?

Stephen Robles

I I grossly misunderestimated. I don't even know what I'm saying, but I I understand.

Jason Aten

Steven is this is Steven's trauma response right now. Just let you know.

Stephen Robles

Yeah. That's a just shut down. I don't even know.

Sara Dietschy

Studio setup is my second most expensive domain.

Stephen Robles

My

Sara Dietschy

first most expensive domain that I still have but I want to sell it, I never did anything with it. I bought it like twelve years ago. Musichustle.com.

Stephen Robles

Music hustle.

Sara Dietschy

This was before Epidemic Sound, Artlist, and I was someone just like living in Nashville, making music videos, doing wedding wedding films and stuff. And I was like, someone really needs to figure out this music licensing for, you know, YouTube videos and stuff. But, you know, ideas matter. It's if you

Stephen Robles

actually do it.

Jason Aten

Someone needs to. It's not gonna be me, but someone needs to do this.

Stephen Robles

And they did. They did.

Sara Dietschy

Shout out to Epidemic and Arlis. But yeah. So if anyone wants to buy that domain, I'll give it to them for $5,000.

Stephen Robles

$5,000. I looked up primarytechnology dot com is $5,000 which I'm not buying. But this one of the reasons Choosing a domain name is difficult. I have myname.com. You have sarahdicci.com,

Sara Dietschy

Right? Yeah. Yeah. I have sarah peachy. I have sarahdicci with an h.

I probably have like 30 domains, 30 or 40. So not terrible.

Stephen Robles

That's not terrible. I I probably am guilty of more. I I also got weird ones. Like, I always wanted a short domain for my main website, so I got, like, steven.one, which I don't even know if I pay for anymore. But

Sara Dietschy

But .one, you know?

Stephen Robles

Dotone. But also, Steven Stephen Curry ruined it for me because now people don't assume it's a p h. And so my website is beard.fm because nobody

Sara Dietschy

That's sick. I like that. No. I like that. Okay.

People a little Jason.

Jason Aten

No. We're good because Steven and I just had this conversation. I texted Steven in the last week because I was buying domains. I don't spend $5,000 on domains, so I'm not buying yours. I'm sorry.

And my question was, if you had a domain that was going to be two words together and putting a hyphen between them was, like, $13 and not putting a hyphen between them is, like, $1,300, would you buy the non hyphen one? And I did not. Yes. I did not. See,

Sara Dietschy

I am I am so opinionated about this because I feel like branding is everything. Think it's better to have even, so I had a like a content studio out here in Texas for like two years, and it was called Blanco, and of course blanco.com isn't gonna be available. But book Blanco was, and book that has to do with booking a space. Bookblanco.com. It's easy to say, it's easy to type, and it's a .com.

I'm always a bigger fan of putting another word in front or after and getting the .com opposed to getting like a dot whatever. Unless it has to do with what you're doing. Dotfm for a podcast, perfect. Doti0 for, you know, an app of some sort, great.

Stephen Robles

AI something.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man, you know what's crazy? I have so many opinions about domains.

We should probably move on. Could talk about this for the whole podcast.

Stephen Robles

We'll leave it. Once I can log into my Hovered account, we'll return to domains. But we have one more five star review. Shout out. He's still on this.

Jason Aten

Oh my gosh.

Stephen Robles

Tim Loeser from The USA. He joined during the Gruber episode, follows a lot of tech shows, but is now a member of ours. So thank you for that. Very cool. Sarah, did you see f one yet?

Have you seen f one?

Sara Dietschy

I didn't. And I saw that on the thing, and I am a fan of f one, so I can't wait to see the actual movie. But with a 17 old who doesn't sleep right now, you know, I have so much work to get done that I literally finding three hours to go to a movie theater just seems impossible right now. I don't know how people do it.

Stephen Robles

It is impossible. I mean, when my kids were little, I didn't go to the movies probably for like three or four years. Yeah, yeah. And this is the last time I'll say this. I got to see it in the Steve Jobs Theater because I was at Dub Dub.

The last time I ever sang it. Sorry, I apologize. Jason, you haven't seen this yet, right? No. You still haven't seen it?

Jason Aten

I mean, I've been to the Steve Jobs Theater, but they didn't let me watch the movie, so

Stephen Robles

Yeah, they don't let you watch that. I was not a fan. I mean, I didn't really follow F1, even though the entire tech world got into it. But I just wanted to say, apparently, F1 is doing well. It's got $293,000,000 at the box office.

It's still not made enough to be profitable. Apparently, it was $250,000,000 to produce, 100,000,000 more to market. Of course, didn't

Sara Dietschy

Boy, did they market it. Oh my god.

Stephen Robles

They didn't have to pay for those They push didn't have to pay for that wallet ad. But anyway, so it'll probably be profitable in the next couple of weeks, but it's doing well. It almost got me into f one almost. I started watching Drive to Survive. Did you watch that Netflix show, Sarah?

Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

That was my gateway.

Stephen Robles

That was the gateway? Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

They got really lucky in that when everyone got into it, it was the most dramatic season ever, you know? And then it was followed up by, like, just kinda Max winning every race, and so I think it lost people. But this season's actually pretty good. So again, with Baby, I can't sit there and watch full races, but I catch the recaps on YouTube, which is so lame.

Stephen Robles

But I caught a few of

Sara Dietschy

the races in the beginning of the year, and it's really it's good season.

Stephen Robles

I do something even lamer. I mean, I just see the live activity on my phone every race, and I'm like, oh, there's a race. And I the only name I recognize is Max Verstappen because I've only seen the first two seasons of the Netflix show. So I'm like, oh, there he is. Okay.

Yeah. Cool.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. No. It's getting interesting now because Red Bull, you know, they're not just dominating. So, there are interesting things happening. But for some reason, I feel like I need to see the movie just because everyone keeps talking about it and they like it.

And they're like, oh, it's so the sound is so good in the theater. And it doesn't I don't know. Like, for some reason, the movie for me doesn't seem I don't know. I wanna see that rom com more than I wanna see, you know, with Pedro Pascal and

Stephen Robles

Oh, Dakota Johnson.

Sara Dietschy

Captain America. Yeah.

Stephen Robles

Chris Evans. I'm probably gonna

Sara Dietschy

have to go see F1 for the culture.

Stephen Robles

I have seen way more junket interviews with Dakota Johnson Pedro Pascal than I have of Brad Pitt. But the movie was good. It's not, like, life changing. It's it's the best of, like, Napoleon and Killers of the Flower Moon, Sun, whatever that movie was. It's the best of those.

But

Sara Dietschy

I haven't watched any of the Apple TV movies. The shows are great. I've watched several of the shows. But

Stephen Robles

But you didn't watch The Gorge? I did. You didn't watch The Gorge.

Sara Dietschy

What is

Stephen Robles

The Gorge? What is Gorge?

Jason Aten

It's What's her name from the queen? Right? And Anna Taylor

Stephen Robles

Queen's Gambit.

Jason Aten

What's her name? Anna Taylor something something. Joy. Joy. You.

And what's the

Sara Dietschy

Oh, I thought that was a TV show.

Stephen Robles

No. No. No. That's a movie. That was

Jason Aten

a movie. It's actually three movies, two of which are good. But there is a movie in the middle that's not very good.

Stephen Robles

It's it's complicated. It's very complicated. It's, that one was fine. There was also it's the new one with, John Krasinski and Natalie Portman, the, national treasure, but not. It the Oh, what is that?

Sara Dietschy

I'm telling you, okay, with the whole me having a baby and this life podcast is gonna be y'all being like, did you hear about this?

Stephen Robles

I'm gonna be like, no way. Sarah, have you heard about iOS 26? Do you know?

Sara Dietschy

Yes, I have.

Stephen Robles

Okay. Good. Good. Good. We're gonna do that next.

Yeah. Fountain of Youth. The Fountain of Youth. That's with John Krasinski, Natalie Portman. It looks mediocre at best, but anyway, that's that's another movie.

I

Sara Dietschy

like those actors, though.

Stephen Robles

Same. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. Love the actors.

So anyway, they're doing movies. We'll see.

Sara Dietschy

Oh, my god. 35% on Rotten Tomatoes. Oh, no.

Stephen Robles

That's what I'm saying. Mediocritics.

Sara Dietschy

35 from the critics, but 39 from the people. Listen. Usually, that popcorn score is so much better. That's bad.

Jason Aten

Typically. Typically. The people who don't know any better usually give it better ratings than the people who do.

Stephen Robles

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Anyway, I haven't seen the yet either. Do you all another random question.

I'm not typically this rabbit trailie, but I don't know. Maybe I'm being influenced.

Sara Dietschy

You sorry. ADHD me.

Stephen Robles

Do you have a Vision Pro? Do you have an Apple Vision Pro?

Sara Dietschy

So my last Apple event that I was ever invited to was the Vision Pro event.

Stephen Robles

Oh, you were there with Jason? Jason was there too. That's true. Who that dub dubbed here?

Sara Dietschy

And I knew I was like, this is the most revolutionary amazing tech that no one is gonna use. And I think I alluded to that in the video a little bit, and so maybe they were like, we've been fighting Sarah, for a while. We don't need to invite her back. But so no. I don't I don't have one,

Stephen Robles

but Okay.

Sara Dietschy

It's incredible. But also who needs it? You know?

Stephen Robles

Jason did not buy one.

Jason Aten

I did not buy one. He

Stephen Robles

has a review unit.

Jason Aten

I still have a review unit.

Stephen Robles

Right.

Jason Aten

But I use it every day. I'm like really milking that review unit. I use it for computer things. I don't use it for entertainment like Steven does, and I refuse to wear it on a plane. And but I do use it for, like that's how I do research.

I read. I do a lot of that stuff because I like having all of the different things around.

Stephen Robles

And Worst pixel density of any Apple device you have, but

Jason Aten

Oh, that might be debatable. Actually, I have some holes. I got a non retina MacBook Air sitting behind me. No. I like using it mostly so that I can keep telling Steven I use it every day.

Stephen Robles

Right. Right. I put it on whenever there's new immersive content, and then that's it, I think, pretty much. Because, like, I don't know. TV's easy enough to turn on, I guess.

Anyway, I was just curious. Alright. A couple of the news things, and then and then we'll go on more rapid trails, I think. But Mark Gurman recently announced or not announced, but broke the news that Apple lost one of its top AI model executives to Meta. We've been covering this Meta hiring spree for a couple weeks, but it was Rooming Pang, head of the foundation's model at Apple.

So not an insignificant person. The person head of the models is now at Meta who is paying hundreds of millions of dollars for AI researchers and people. Still trying to convince my kids to go into that field. But, yeah, not looking great. And apparently, people internally on the team at Apple not happy about the rumors of Apple considering OpenAI and Anthropic models powering the voice assistant rather than Apple's foundation models.

Sara Dietschy

They're gonna have to do it. They're gonna something has to change.

Stephen Robles

Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

You know? They dropped the ball so hard. They had one job to do and they focused on the dumb vision pro.

Jason Aten

No. They they focused on image they focused on image playgrounds instead of this, which is basically the same point, but still.

Stephen Robles

Which is now but now powered by ChatGPT anyway. Like, image playgrounds are now useful because you could generate ChatGPT images.

Jason Aten

No. What you mean is you can actually generate images and not just weird caricatures of things that you don't care Right.

Stephen Robles

It's tough. I mean, I guess it looks more and more like Apple's going to look to OpenAI or Anthropic for the models. I still don't see, like, the long term future. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't see the long term vision yet. But and Craig Federighi, like, just took over that again, like, a few months ago. So anyway Well,

Jason Aten

he took over the theory part. I'm sorry.

Stephen Robles

One Wish them of the things we've been talking about the last few weeks is AI and media literacy. And last week, Sarah, we talked about John Oliver's segment about AI slop. And he showed clips of people being fooled by it. And I am increasingly leery of the hyper realistic AI videos that people are falling for. And so I'm just curious, in your experiences, maybe with family members and friends, Sarah, do you see people, like, being fooled by AI?

Concerned?

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. Totally. And it's interesting because I have a very tech literate father, boomer father.

Stephen Robles

Mhmm.

Sara Dietschy

And he's on Twitter and stuff. But what's been the most shocking is, yes, I'll have the classic, like, he'll show me a video and I'll be like, dad, that's AI. Can you not tell that's AI? I've had a little bit of I've had a little, of that. But the most shocking thing is he literally watches AI videos, like, knowing their AI.

So I think that's the most shocking bit is because he follows, like, a lot of financial news and, like, world news and stuff. And there's a lot of, like, AI slop with that where it's clearly an AI generated script and you have AI generated content. So he actually, like, willingly watches it. So he knows it's AI. And I think that's been the most shocking part about this because I don't you know, I've seen the clips on Instagram of, like, the the chimpanzee, like, hustling for money.

Like, he like, he's Gary V. I've seen clips like that, and it's funny, and you're like, oh, those know?

Stephen Robles

I kinda wanna see that now that you mention it.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. Know. It's it's it's entertaining. But I've never, like, sat there and watched a ten minute AI video. Nothing nothing a part of me is excited about that.

Right? So I think that's the most shocking part is it's like, okay, will the younger generation be so averse to that? But it's all the older generation that's like, ah, this is fine.

Stephen Robles

Do you think don't know. As a creator, I'm gonna show it again, but someone deepfaked me on TikTok, and there's like a clip of me looking I don't know. Have you ever had any deepfakes, or do you think about that?

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. I've had even pre AI, I've had, you know, thumbnails of me holding up an iPhone being used for like iPhone repair shops and like we've had to, you know, report it on Facebook. And so it's always been a thing. It's only gonna get worse on AI and, you know, I don't wanna sound cliche, but I do think this is where, like, the blockchain can actually be helpful. There is going to have to be a way where you have to verify the content that you're actually putting out.

So, you know, whether it's connecting your YouTube channel via an API, you confirming that you are you or, you know, your social media. I mean, I think that's coming quicker than we think because people want a way. Right now, I think it's easy for younger people to be like, that's AI, I don't trust that. But it's gonna get harder and harder. So there has to be a way to verify it, you know?

Stephen Robles

Two, three years from now, I feel like it's gonna be indistinguishable, and that's gonna be tough. Yeah. But Yeah. Anyway, I have 38 domains. I just finally I finally logged in.

Sara Dietschy

You know what? Let me get the actual number for you.

Stephen Robles

That's all I'm throwing out there.

Sara Dietschy

Because this is the important stuff.

Stephen Robles

That's the important What people came for. You know? As you do that Honestly Yeah. Go ahead. No.

Sara Dietschy

Go ahead. I hate GoDaddy's interface.

Stephen Robles

Yes. It's the worst. It really is.

Sara Dietschy

Because they force you, they make you wanna use their website builder. So every time you go to the website, you have to click through like four different things. Okay, here we go. Interesting, I only have 30.

Stephen Robles

Really?

Sara Dietschy

So thirty and thirty eight. There you go.

Stephen Robles

Okay. Scrolling through. I have like

Sara Dietschy

I wanna hear some of yours. Let me hear some of yours.

Stephen Robles

All right. Let's hear some. I was gonna share my screen, but I don't know if I'm so one, I'm actually I'm really proud of, and I'll just give this idea out there because I don't if I'll ever get to it. I wanted to do a podcast that was like Apple trivia, almost like a Jeopardy style, but all Apple. And so I actually got appletrivia.com.

Sara Dietschy

Oh, nice.

Stephen Robles

So I have that. I don't know if that'll ever go anywhere. Interesting. I have all my kids'names.com.

Sara Dietschy

Same.

Stephen Robles

Yeah. Same. Jason, do you do that? Do you buy your kids' names? No.

Jason Aten

They can fend for themselves. That's fine.

Stephen Robles

So wow. Okay. I thought I would be a drone photographer and have a social media account on that. So I have and I used to live in a city called Lakeland in Florida. So I have lakelandsky.com.

That's pretty good.

Sara Dietschy

Love it.

Stephen Robles

Pretty good. And the last one I'll share. I thought I might have a digital media company, like digital advertising. And I was trying to be cool with, what does my last name mean plus studio? So I have oaktreepixels.com because that's what my last name means.

I'm pixels.

Sara Dietschy

Oaktreepixels.know?dotcom.

Stephen Robles

Thought that was good. I don't

Sara Dietschy

know about that one.

Stephen Robles

Don't know about that one.

Jason Aten

Look. Or what's the

Stephen Robles

one you're any you care to reveal

Sara Dietschy

over I'll I'll talk about the ones that people can buy.

Jason Aten

The ones that she has for sale.

Stephen Robles

I'm just gonna auction. Okay. Very good.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. Sure. This one's a good one. Scoutingspace.com.

Stephen Robles

Getting space. Okay. Sure. Is that like

Jason Aten

a Blue Origin competitor or something? You're like going out there looking for

Stephen Robles

Oh, yeah. It could be space.

Sara Dietschy

Like like

Stephen Robles

A realtor?

Sara Dietschy

Finding creative studios near you.

Stephen Robles

Oh, yeah. That's a good you even have taglines for these, I bet, in your head.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. Know. Yeah. I mean, it's all honestly, a lot of these are, like personal stuff, like for some reason, like Peachy Enterprises, Sarah List, yeah, random stuff. There's

Stephen Robles

What's another one you want?

Sara Dietschy

Hustle and Y, that was a thing in New I don't even do that anymore. As you can tell, word hustle

Stephen Robles

Got a lot of hustle.

Sara Dietschy

Was cool back in 2016. I know it's cringe now, but it was super cool.

Stephen Robles

I like the accent. What's another one you wanna auction Okay.

Sara Dietschy

A recent one. Yeah. I don't know if I'll ever I won't do anything with it, but lastmilecoder.com. Cause I was like, someone needs to start a service where you can just ship off your vibe coded projects to actual programmers and they set up authentication and payments and stuff.

Stephen Robles

Okay. Okay.

Sara Dietschy

Last Mile Coder AI. But, you know, whatever. It's so buy these domains at 2AM when you think you're a genius and then you wake up and you're like, uh-huh. Yes. I don't know about this.

Jason Aten

But That is why I don't have that many domains because I am never awake at 2AM. Yeah.

Stephen Robles

Not once. The YouTubers, we're

Jason Aten

awake. Never.

Stephen Robles

We're like

Sara Dietschy

We're awake.

Stephen Robles

What business should I start?

Sara Dietschy

Because because I have studio, you know, have studiosetup.com. I also have studioinspo.com. This is gonna be my first vibe coded project I put out there.

Stephen Robles

That's good.

Sara Dietschy

It's gonna it's so niche. It's so dumb, but I'm not gonna charge people. There's gonna be no users, so there's no pressure. It's going to be

Stephen Robles

Great business model.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. No. It's literally just for fun. It's just gonna be like Pinterest for a roll setups. You know?

Stephen Robles

That's good.

Sara Dietschy

Maybe Riverside wants to sponsor it.

Jason Aten

The no users thing is really appealing to them, I hear.

Stephen Robles

Yeah. No user base.

Sara Dietschy

But I set up studios all the time. Right?

Stephen Robles

Sure.

Sara Dietschy

And I go to places like Pinterest and stuff or Instagram to see what other people's like a roll looks like, but there's really not a lot out there. So you end up just on YouTube scrolling through people's sets. Right. But kidding me, I'm doing a podcast.

Stephen Robles

Very good. Alright. Well, thank thank you for sharing those. Yeah. Set up what was it again?

What's setup? Setup inspo?

Sara Dietschy

Studio setup. Oh, inspo.com.

Stephen Robles

Coming to

Sara Dietschy

a webpage near you.

Stephen Robles

We'll be on the lookout. We'll be on

Sara Dietschy

the lookout. Yeah.

Stephen Robles

All right. Apple dialed back the glass. We now have iOS 26 frosted glass. Some have called it iOS 26 plastic instead of the actual transparent glass. You know, people are saying this is in response to all the YouTube and the Twitter commentary about how it's difficult to read.

It's still very divisive. Some people are like, I wish they would go back to the more transparent. Some not. Brandon Butch's video, he does a bunch of comparisons, and you can really see the difference in, like, Apple Music. So beta three that just came out, which is likely gonna be the public beta version that comes out soon, much less transparency.

And you can see even there, like, as you scroll, it doesn't look like glass at all. Like, there's no transparency. It just stays opaque. So I don't know. I mean, I was kinda down with the glass, but I don't know.

Sarah, what was your opinion? You have opinions?

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. App just Apple as a whole. I have so many opinions about the past few years, so I don't wanna come off as usually I've been very positive about Apple. Oh, yeah. Because, you know, they're they're Apple silicon and the Mac team has just been like

Stephen Robles

You switched back to MacBook Pro. So Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. Exactly. I was on Windows machines for, like, eight years. Right. And so but, yeah, every everyone else is just failing miserably, I feel like.

And listen, the glass is cool, but the readability isn't there. So I feel like it's a very un Apple thing to just, like, do something for the fun, but then you actually make the product worse. Like, what the heck is that?

Stephen Robles

There's so much more Apple does have a history of that, I would say.

Sara Dietschy

I guess, but at the core, it's all about like, customer experience. Like, I would say their design, even though, of course, it's beautiful. Sure. I would say it's more user friendly than Windows. And so I would say at the core of their products, it's always, like, usability.

And so, I'm kinda glad they rolled it back a little bit. I think the glass looks cool, but the moment it gets in the way of actually reading text on your phone, like, what are you doing? You know?

Stephen Robles

Yeah, mean, the Apple Music example really shows, if you were trying to read what was now playing, that would be distracting depending on what was behind it. But a lot of people said they should do a slider. And technically, there was an accessibility setting even now where you can really turn off the glass part, and it would kind of be opaque how it is now by default. I don't think Apple would ever do a slider to choose how transparent you want things. Although, there was one for the menu bar for a while on the Mac.

But I don't know. Jason, what'd you think about the rolling back?

Jason Aten

I didn't know this happened until just now, so I'm installing beta three on my iPhone. Thank you. I did see a quote or a tweet or some post on some website from I think it was Parker Ordalani who was, like, seemed very disappointed that they would, like, commit not commit to this. I can't remember. I don't wanna give credit to the wrong person because I don't even remember what they said.

Stephen Robles

He no. No. Part it was Parker. And he said it was a little you know, to just go based off the feedback on social media and to roll it back before it even goes public might have been a little

Jason Aten

Cowardly? No. That's not the word you used. I'm sorry.

Stephen Robles

No. I didn't say that.

Jason Aten

But I do have a I'm curious what you both think. I feel like this is not a characteristically Apple thing to do. They did it with Safari a couple of years ago, where they got a lot of negative feedback and they changed it. But I feel like there is this experience that we've all had as parents, right, where there comes a point in time where your kid just won't go to sleep without, like, you holding them, and then you have to figure out how do I lay the kid in a bed and get them to stay asleep. And it doesn't work.

And the trick is, and it's terrible, but you just have to let the baby cry for a little while and eventually they will fall asleep. And then the second night you do it and you just have to commit to it and they're gonna cry again. And then the third night they're gonna cry again. And then the fourth night maybe they don't cry. But you as a parent have to be committed to the, like, to the exercise because every time you give in, you have to start that cycle over.

And Apple used to be really good at that. Like, Tim Cook could be like, no. Just lay there. It's gonna be fine. The transparent you'll get used to it.

Like, my point is Apple used to just Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

But you know what they're doing now? They're saying, come in bed with me. Come to the adult bed. We're just gonna sleep

Jason Aten

That's what the parents are Oh my god. Not Apple. I was just clarifying the metaphor. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Just wanted to clarify. Yeah. Yeah.

But my point okay. So that's that's another

Sara Dietschy

because that's what we do at home.

Jason Aten

Whole other analogy then. Okay. But my point is, like, Apple used to just commit to a decision that even that was unpopular. And eventually, people did just get over most of the things. Right?

They just got over it. And I wonder if Apple, like, at this point is like, maybe we dialed it too far. Maybe we left the transparency knob in Tim Cook's office and the maid came by and she kicked it in an accident and it was, like, super transparent. Or if they're actually afraid because they are just facing so much scrutiny in so many different places. It's like, well, you're making fun of us because of AI.

Maybe we should take away one of the things you're picking on us over. I don't know which of it is which of the two do you think it is?

Sara Dietschy

I think it's because they're following the monstrosity that was iOS 18. I used to be a proper tech YouTuber and I still have iOS 17 on my phone. Like that's

Stephen Robles

Really? Why?

Sara Dietschy

Have not because of the photos app.

Stephen Robles

Yeah. They've been

Sara Dietschy

messing with too

Jason Aten

much they stuff to fixed

Stephen Robles

the photos app. Photos app went back. They fixed the photos app. So iOS 26 will be good. It'll be fine.

Sara Dietschy

Exactly. So I will up I will update I to iOS 20

Stephen Robles

feel like they I don't know. I mean, to call it liquid glass and then nothing is glassy, it does feel like the entire main part of Dub Dub. Like, there was a whole glass section before they ever talked about any the operating systems, and now it's not glass. It's just it's different shapes. Everything is really round.

But

Sara Dietschy

Are there other examples?

Stephen Robles

If you I mean, it's those are the podcast.

Jason Aten

It's basically the reduced transparency accessibility feature now applied

Stephen Robles

as in the cloud. I think they should have waited. And I will, again, remind people iOS seven did change drastically. It was like Helvetica ultra, ultra thin on, like, the first beta, and then it got thicker throughout some of the betas. But I feel like they shouldn't have gone this far this soon.

Like, maybe wait till the public beta comes out and get more feedback. It also feels strange. Like, I don't think Apple I don't know. I don't wanna get into, like, what they used to

Jason Aten

do. Steven, nobody was going to switch to Android because of this. Right. No one was going to stop using an iPhone because of this feature. I I mean, maybe some people, but I don't think anyone was really going to switch to it.

So that means I mean, I'm inclined to think they must have just decided they went too far. Right? Because they weren't afraid people were gonna leave because, again, no one's no one's switching to Android over Glass.

Stephen Robles

I don't know. It's fine. I mean, whatever. I don't know.

Sara Dietschy

Honestly though, whatever. That's the problem. We're starting to not care, you know?

Stephen Robles

I mean

Sara Dietschy

That's a problem, I think, for Apple. Because for me, again, I didn't even buy the last iPhone.

Stephen Robles

Are you are you still on the the 15?

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. If the most tech excited people are waiting a little bit, not just for software, but hardware, you know, I feel like they're in trouble a little bit. Or it's just a changing landscape. Again, people are caring less about smartphones as a whole, I think, because, hey, we've reached, as Marques says, right, peak smartphone, but

Stephen Robles

Right.

Sara Dietschy

You know.

Stephen Robles

I I do think that there's the AI thing we've talked about caught him off guard. No Like, one thought CHGPT was gonna be as popular as it was. And so there was probably some scrambling for that dumb car project, which went on for a decade. It was probably a waste of time. VisionPro, they probably needed to do, even if anything, just to get towards the AR glasses future that everyone thinks is gonna happen.

And Meta is pushing hard there. So I don't know. I will say, like, the design wise, like, don't know if you've seen the podcast app in iOS 26, but they have made, like, decisions where the episode artwork like, this is our custom episode artwork. It's like edge to edge. And I think, I guess it's cool, but I don't know.

Also feels kinda like different than Apple Podcast. So I don't know. There was a lot of design. I mean, Alan Dye too. Is is this the first Jason, is this the first iOS that we think Alan Dye really had all his hands in?

Jason Aten

No. He's been I mean, he has been the head of their like, the software design.

Stephen Robles

But there's not been a major redesign since he's taken over.

Jason Aten

I mean, he's the one that ruined the Photos app. I I mean

Stephen Robles

Fair point. Okay.

Jason Aten

And he was in the keynote to was it was it that scary fast Mac event or was it an iPhone event where he was like he was no. It was an iPhone event where he

Stephen Robles

The Dynamic Island.

Jason Aten

Yeah. You're right. He's the the Dynamic Island. So he's, like, clearly behind this stuff.

Sara Dietschy

Goated feature.

Stephen Robles

Yeah. Dynamic Island is great. Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. Amazing.

Stephen Robles

Yeah. Wise on that too. People make

Sara Dietschy

There's a nice thing to say about yeah.

Stephen Robles

Nice thing. People make entire videos about Dynamic Island. Yeah. No. No.

It's great. Yeah. It's great.

Sara Dietschy

Live update, like, what's it called?

Stephen Robles

Live activities.

Sara Dietschy

Live activities. Activities.

Jason Aten

Steven's entire sporting exposure is just the dynamic

Stephen Robles

Live activities. Yes. That's exactly right. Most sports I've exposed to.

Sara Dietschy

You know, I have a question.

Stephen Robles

Yes, please.

Sara Dietschy

Because Steven, you make so many videos about shortcuts.

Stephen Robles

I do.

Sara Dietschy

And it seems like there are so many actually interesting use cases for Mhmm. Shortcuts now with AI and and things. Why do people still not care about shortcuts? Like, because because even as even as someone who I I dove into it like years ago, and I had, you know, Matthew on my podcast and stuff. Yeah.

He talked about it a ton. And I got really into it for a couple months, and I was like, yeah. And so I feel like there's enthusiasm for it, like, maybe once a year and people are like, this is the time. And this might be the time with AI because some of the shortcuts that you you've been building are like actually really really cool. But why why has it not caught on to mainstream?

Stephen Robles

It is still, I think, a step too far for most people. It still feels too much like programming. And the only reason I can make so many videos is because people ask for very slightly different shortcuts than other people. A lot of the shortcuts I make are just slight variations of ones other people have asked for.

Sara Dietschy

And it's the slightly more nerdy people that are just, like, really excited to get into this stuff. And so there's Yeah. There's definitely, like, passion for it in a small group of people. Just wonder when it's gonna get bigger.

Stephen Robles

Think there's a large group that's passionate about it, but the large group just wants to be able to click a link and download the shortcut and then use it. And then the smaller group is one that actually wants to build it. And so thankfully, I can appeal to both because I can build it and then just give people a link to download it, and it hits them both. But it is like you have to be able to work it into your workflows. If it's not something that you will use regularly, it's hard to realize the value.

And I have 12 shortcuts in my menu bar that I use pretty much every day for the daily podcast we started for this show. I have three shortcuts for that. And it would take me hours if I didn't have those. And so unless you can actually integrate them and start realizing like, oh, this can save me hours if I spend the time to tweak it and get it just how I need it to, it's hard for people to see the value right away.

Sara Dietschy

What are some of those favorites that you have that do save actual hours?

Stephen Robles

So the the Primary Tech Daily Show, which is Monday through Friday, if you support the show, you get that podcast. I do the top five articles, like, just top five news stories. And so I have one shortcut that pulls from, like, seven different RSS feeds from the news websites that I follow. And the shortcut basically brings up choose from menu options to say, what are the articles that you wanna choose? So I'll check a couple articles.

Next, check a couple. And then it pulls the full article text via the RSS feed, sends that to ChatGPT, summarizes it, and then puts it in a bare note. So now I have a script that I can read from for The Daily Show in literally less than a minute. And I mean, just browsing those websites or even RSS feeds manually would have taken at least an hour and then summarizing them. So that, and then I have another shortcut that formats the show notes even for this podcast, which saves me probably an hour a week.

And so stuff like that, stuff like that.

Sara Dietschy

That's cool.

Stephen Robles

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You can click it there. But thanks to Agency for sponsoring this episode. I wanna ask you about social media real quick because Blue Sky is trying really hard to do things like X. What's that? What's that?

You say, what's that?

Sara Dietschy

What's that?

Stephen Robles

Don't give me that. You know what that is. You know what that is. And then, well, this is gonna be my next question to you. So Blue Sky added notifications for accounts.

So like on X, many people would follow accounts for earthquake alerts or whatever. Well, now you can get notified when just an account posts at all. So they're trying to encourage accounts that do these kind of live updates or news updates to do it. Mastathon is also trying really hard to still Exist. Do things to exist.

So that's out there. You are not on these things. Is that right, Sarah? Are you still just all in on one?

Sara Dietschy

I've I've always been a Twitter degen, and I always will be.

Stephen Robles

What is that? What is the word you just said?

Sara Dietschy

Just a degenerate. Just

Stephen Robles

Oh, oh, didn't I've never heard that abbreviated.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's one of those things that like Yeah. No matter how much Elon destroys the platform

Stephen Robles

Sure, sure.

Sara Dietschy

I'm just still gonna be tweeting. I don't know.

Stephen Robles

It's Never threads? You didn't go over to threads?

Sara Dietschy

I did for a little bit, and that actually got more, like, annoying and toxic than Twitter did. I mean, threads is awful, actually. It is. Do weird. Do a fantastic job.

Like I'll acknowledge that threads actually exist because they're doing a good job. Blue Sky, who's actually on Blue Sky?

Stephen Robles

Don't know.

Sara Dietschy

Don't know.

Stephen Robles

Know. Threads will stay on your following feed. Like, just keep And threads on my following

Sara Dietschy

this is the thing.

Stephen Robles

This is the

Sara Dietschy

Their algorithm is exactly the way their Reels algorithm works. And it tries to find you the most like Yeah. It's not even the most shocking content.

Stephen Robles

It's rage based.

Sara Dietschy

It's the content that like cuts to your specific core, you

Stephen Robles

know? Right.

Sara Dietschy

So the only stuff I see from it is literally just like, you know, a parenting

Stephen Robles

Buy this domain from GoDaddy? That

Sara Dietschy

Exactly. No. But, like, literally, by the second sentence in the thread, I'll I'll be like, oh, I need to make a video about this. This is so insane. This person is great.

And I'm like, wait. What am I what am I doing? And then I'll swipe and it'll be something about YouTubers. And then I'll swipe and it'll be something about just something that, Yeah. Just really cuts you, and it's not I don't find that productive.

On Twitter, I keep my profile to the following. Yeah. You know? And I will say on threads, people are even more programmatic about how you know, people on Twitter, there's people on there just tweeting like me because they just have to. You know?

Their just inner dialogue is just going all the time, so they're just, like, tweeting out random shit. They don't care about the actual, engagement. Right. Threads is a little bit different. People are sorry if you hear my cat.

People are threading. Is that what they call it?

Stephen Robles

That's a terrible word. It is. Posting.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. And no one's actually doing it for fun or because they feel like they want to. It's, oh, I need to to get clicks to sell something.

Stephen Robles

I feel so ugh. I'm so torn about it all because I still have four social media apps open on my computer at all times, which is insane. I have Threads, X, Mastodon, and Blue Sky just all open all the time, and I'll cross post on everything. And, like, people respond. Like, there's people out there.

There's people out there on those platforms. But, Jason, what Jason, you're on on three out of four.

Jason Aten

I mean, here's the thing. I wanna just pick up on what Sarah was saying and be clear. Threads is good at two things. It's good at showing you posts you don't care about from threads in your Instagram feed, which is super annoying. Sure.

And then when you post things on threads, it's super good at showing your posts to people who are getting mad about your post and then reply to your post about how mad they are that you've posted a thing. But Jesus is the who's Exactly. It's like Why don't

Sara Dietschy

why so why do they not show these threads to people

Jason Aten

who It's like, here's the thing. We could show this to the people who follow you, who presumably like you, but instead we'll show it to a bunch of people who are gonna be pissed off that you wrote this, and then they will all reply. I don't understand how that math works.

Stephen Robles

Well, because people who like it will just literally like it, and then people who disagree will comment. And comment is more engagement than alike.

Jason Aten

But they aren't showing it to the people who said, I wanna follow this person. And instead, they just show it to wrestling. Steven, I had a post. I I I wrote when I wrote that or when I went to the Airbnb event and wrote about it, like, that that thread got a 100 or 465,000 views. There was not a single response to that that was like, oh, this seems cool.

It was all like, you know Airbnb is killing the world. I'm like, well,

Stephen Robles

then just don't respond. Why is thread showing it to these people?

Sara Dietschy

Honestly, that something too is the people on there, and I'm sure there's good people on there, the majority of them are very insufferable. Like, I know the majority of everything can be bad and is bad, but like, you know, can we just have some corners of the Internet where we can be a little bit positive or excited about things? You know?

Stephen Robles

I don't I don't know what jujitsu I have done because I do not get those kinds of comments. Like That's good.

Sara Dietschy

Most do not get good engagement.

Stephen Robles

I do. I get replies. You can go on my threads.

Sara Dietschy

Okay. Because I feel like it's with Twitter too, the only thing that gets a lot of traction is if I, like, trigger people. And so when I'm just, tweeting about random stuff and getting, you know, 20 likes per tweet and, five comments, life is good. But the moment if I'm like, oh, this is gonna If

Stephen Robles

something pops viral, it goes it goes south. I'll give you that.

Jason Aten

Like But it's

Stephen Robles

I've had a couple just Yeah.

Jason Aten

Bizarre. Like, I wrote this story and posted it on threads about how I typed stuff into Chad GPT and it saved my life. And, like, the people that responded are like, you know you're boiling the ocean. I'm like, I don't care. I'll still be here to see it.

Like, whatever. Yeah.

Stephen Robles

I don't know what well, they know you'll react to trolls, though. That's the problem. Because you, like, retweet your trolls and posts.

Jason Aten

Oh, that's true. Do I do my best to

Stephen Robles

You can't just leave them alone.

Jason Aten

Found you. I found you on the Internet now,

Stephen Robles

and I'm just gonna Don't ex just leave them alone. Just block them. Just block them anyway. I wanna talk about some of your your Mac and AI workflow stuff. But before we do, last kinda newsy thing.

This iPhone 17 error model came out, like one of these fake not fake, but, like, one of these, like, plastic models. And so maybe this is the iPhone 17 error with the weird camera bar and super thin stuff. I don't know. Sarah, do want a thin iPhone? Super thin phone?

Sara Dietschy

I could care less about a thin iPhone. Honestly, this is why I kinda stopped making, like, the straightforward tech videos is for some reason, I just I can't get excited about this stuff as much as I used to. I don't know. Might be a personal thing, but I'm just kinda like, cool.

Stephen Robles

I get it. I I've never got an iPhone review unit, so I've never done, one of those. But I also have never done just an iPhone review video because the coolest concept I came up with is I gave the iPhone 16E to my teenage son and let him review it. And that did well because just hearing his opinion on it. But I don't know how I would personally review the 16 e.

I I mean, I will say

Sara Dietschy

it was a lot of fun when every year there were, like, substantial improvements to the camera. I mean, that was what was exciting for me. And things like Dynamic Island, stuff like that, where

Stephen Robles

it's the blend of the

Sara Dietschy

hardware and software. But really, feel like that's the last time that I kind of got excited. Of course, we had like, you know, Photo Raw and stuff like that. But I will say the most the most excited I've gotten, was months after it was released and it's Apple Log. And that has been the most like game changing feature that is not super popular, but I think people still underestimate the beautiful image they can get out of their iPhones.

Yeah. With shooting Apple log, and so I think that's the last time I've been like the most excited about, you know, things, but, I don't think that's super, you know, I made one video about it, it did well, and people liked it, but I don't, Stuff like that, I guess isn't for the masses to get excited about. So it's just a little harder to make videos that I am super excited about it.

Stephen Robles

Do you film with the stock camera app or Kino or any of the fancy apps?

Sara Dietschy

I use the Blackmagic one.

Stephen Robles

Oh, Blackmagic. Alright. I'm gonna show you Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

It's super, super nice.

Stephen Robles

I'm gonna show you an accessory. You might think this is cool. Have you seen the SmallRig thing? So this is a wireless monitor with MagSafe. Oh.

So it literally just sticks to the back of your phone.

Sara Dietschy

Oh, that's cool because, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Stephen Robles

And then it has a little Wi Fi network that it puts off, and so you can AirPlay mirror to the screen. And so you can film and see the camera right there. Look at that.

Sara Dietschy

Oh, that's so cool.

Stephen Robles

What does it look like?

Sara Dietschy

Can you open up the camera? What is it?

Stephen Robles

$65. I mean, smaller. Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

That's I'm glad they did that because Sony Xperia, the Xperia phone

Stephen Robles

Yes. It

Sara Dietschy

is. Had something like that for a long time. And when I was shooting with Xperias, I was using that. And I was like, oh, why does an iPhone have something like that? So that's that's really cool.

Stephen Robles

That's pretty sweet. Okay. I wanna hear about some of your AI tools or apps. I watched your video. These apps make my Mac actually useful.

Sara Dietschy

People got very upset about that title, but the video flopped initially, and then that helped give a little bounce.

Stephen Robles

So you talked about CleanShot X, which is my favorite screen Love

Sara Dietschy

so much.

Stephen Robles

Love it. Yeah. Well, tell me, what are some of the things that make you excited? What apps have were you been excited recently about?

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. I feel a little behind just because I mean, I I truthfully I used a MacBook for a while, but I was still using my Windows PC. So I really didn't go all in, I feel like on Mac until recently, the past couple years. And so I it was kind of fun to rediscover, you know, tools again. Like I use CleanShot X, but to really dive into like the setup apps again

Stephen Robles

Yes.

Sara Dietschy

And find like paste and you know, didn't even know like those apps existed. And to just like embrace the shortcuts and, you know, to feel like a wizard on your computer or you're just like, shortcutting everything. But I know a lot of people, you know, in that video mentioned like Raycast and stuff like that.

Stephen Robles

Fine. It's fine.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. I just, you know, I've I've tried it, but I think for me, I like the learning curve has to be reasonable enough to where, you know, you can kinda just like hop right in and it's super useful within like three minutes of using it. So Right. Really I don't have anything

Stephen Robles

more Well, do you how do you use ChatGPT? How do you use ChatGPT in your process? Okay.

Sara Dietschy

Use it so much. It's it's crazy how much I use it. I think I think what's been shocking to me talking to other people and just seeing how the internet has been using it, I use I feel like I use AI to just like do a lot of things for me, so I'm always inputting something. You know, I'm not Yeah. Or or like it starts with human input, me.

So I'm not telling it to write a tweet for me, or I never really put it through Twitter actually, but say like a blog post or or something on my website. I always start with me writing it. Yeah. And then I'll say, hey, just like make it a little bit better, add this or that. I I find that to be the most useful, but really oh, I didn't finish my first thought.

Again, ADHD brain, I'm so sorry. This is my first podcast in a very long time, guys. I'm out of practice.

Stephen Robles

You're doing great, you're doing great.

Sara Dietschy

What I was originally saying was it's shocking to see so many people use it for like a therapist, for a friend.

Stephen Robles

Oh yeah,

Sara Dietschy

that's And I hate that so much because I feel like that they're responsible for the recent voice update. You Do guys use like the voice where you're talking back and forth? Never. Never. Okay.

I used to use it all of the time, but then they did an update with like this advanced voice. You can't change it in settings. Many people said, oh, you can like turn it off. You can't unless I'm missing it. ChatGPT voice used to be so lovely.

It sounded human, but you were still like talking to a robot. So it was clear, concise, and quick. And I would use it a lot for learning. And so, know, I'm really getting back into just like, it's time to like learn how to code. I'm a comp sci dropout, and things were just too granular for me, you know, when I was in college.

And so now, you can just do so much with it. I'm getting really excited. So I'm learning with ChatGPT and asking it questions that I would be scared to ask a human because they're so beginner and, you know. But then they updated the freaking voice and it's awful. It is so bad.

So it went from a very smart sounding robot

Stephen Robles

Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

To your buddy. So now he's really slow and he'll be like

Stephen Robles

Oh, no.

Sara Dietschy

He'll say, He'll say,

Stephen Robles

infuriating.

Sara Dietschy

And it's so slow. It's literally like you're having a conversation with your slowest friend. And I get why get why they did it because I think the most most of the people that are using voice are using it for companionship. But man, I feel like the real the real you can get a lot of edge by just like having it be your personal tutor, and you can learn so much now. That's my favorite way to use ChatGPT.

And so, yeah, that's my biggest gripe with it right now is their advanced voice. It's awful.

Stephen Robles

I never talk to it. Only when I That's crazy. I only when I tried the Perplexity app because I was comparing because they introduced integration with, like, Apple Music reminders and calendars. So I was, like, trying to talk to it to, like, add reminders and stuff, and it was so slow. And just I just never wanna do it.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. Well, what about the other way too? Like, just for transcription. Yes. So you don't

Jason Aten

I'll type the on my phone, I'll hit the microphone and talk.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Aten

And then send a chat a a text message to it, and then it just replies in text. I do that all the time. But that's also how I send emails. It's how I send text messages. It's how I write articles sometimes.

Well, I mean, I did that for, like, two weeks when I drilled a hole in my finger and I couldn't type. So I just dictated all my messages, all my articles for, like, two weeks.

Stephen Robles

So do you ever

Sara Dietschy

I love that's gotten really good too. I love doing that. I I very real I I type, but half the time, I'm using voice the way, Jason, you were saying. But then if I really wanna learn something, then I go into actual like voice mode. But thank goodness that it's gotten so much better on my Mac too.

Like I'll literally just dictate stuff on my Mac all

Stephen Robles

the Have you trained a custom GPT for any of your use cases, Sarah?

Sara Dietschy

I haven't, but.

Stephen Robles

You you should do.

Sara Dietschy

No, I haven't. I have videos in the queue where it's like there are some things in process. Mhmm. I just think it's a really exciting world right now. It's scary, but it's, like, exciting.

Stephen Robles

Know? Well, this is a double edged sword of, like, AI stuff. Like, the generated video on social media is terrible. But I use ChatGPT every day. And, like, for every one of my videos, after I transcribe it, I send it to a custom GPT I made for helping me with YouTube title description and tags.

And so I'll just say based on this transcript, give me some ideas, and I'll go back and forth several times. And it's basically an infinite idea generator for titles and Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

I mean, I will say I'm I need to get more, like, to computer level doing that stuff to, like, improve my actual workflows. Right now, I'm doing, like, a lot of random stuff, like talking about that studio info website. So this is so much fun.

Stephen Robles

So one of the tools

Sara Dietschy

I use most is v zero just because

Stephen Robles

What

Sara Dietschy

is it's that? The easiest to really get you don't know what v zero is?

Stephen Robles

No. No. Is that v e?

Sara Dietschy

Just v0.dev.

Jason Aten

Like v and the numeral zero.

Sara Dietschy

Yes. Oh.

Stephen Robles

Oh, I see.

Sara Dietschy

It's what I'm using to make studioinspo.com. I'm not denying that it's not stupid, but it's fun. Okay, guys? No. So You're you're literally, it's just like a chat gbt interface and it just spins up web UIs.

It's incredible. But what makes it so cool is it's by Vercel, which are the creators of Next. Js and so many services that literally run the web. So they have the behind the scenes, so they have like hosting, like you can set up APIs, webhooks, all these different types of things. And so as someone who I know good design, but I can't create it.

So it's a very infuriating place to be in. But now with AI, you can just say, ah, that doesn't look right. Try this, try this, try and you can iterate so quickly. And I've it's so fun. So you know, I've been building just these basic UIs, but now when it comes to like the AI back end stuff, I don't wanna pull the screenshots manually, of course, right?

For like these So a roll studio I made a thing on the back end where I can copy and paste as many YouTube links as you want, and then it basically sends it off to AWS, the recognition service, and it detects, okay, is there human in here? Are they smiling? Is it blurry? It gets rid of, you know, everything that you don't want. It'll output I'm saying like I've done this.

I've started to but some things are broken. Okay?

Stephen Robles

Sure. Sure.

Sara Dietschy

And then it'll just output you all of the screenshots that you think are worthy of like, this is a good a roll setup and all I have to do is go through and like check it off. That's cool. So yeah, that's what I've been having fun with is like tools like that that kind of make these little projects that I'm doing, actually useful for people because it's like, I don't wanna build this and then you only have like a 100 sets to look at and then you're done. Like, I really like the idea of like automating things and like getting fresh content and stuff. So, you know, you're you're a king of automation, Steven.

You should do some of this stuff where you build like actual web apps and then other people can use it. It's fun.

Stephen Robles

Yeah. It's so it's so daunting to try and like do something

Sara Dietschy

I know. You gotta wanna you gotta be excited about it. I mean, really feel like

Stephen Robles

Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. I'm kinda picking up where I left off, when I dropped out of my comp side degree because we God, it was so dumb. I was like writing Python with a pencil on paper.

Stephen Robles

That's wild.

Sara Dietschy

No. Yeah. And I was like, no. When when are we actually gonna do the things? And, know, we just never got to doing the things.

I was like, this is so dumb. But now I've gotten to the point where, oh, ChatuchiBT is my tutor. All of these surface services make it so easy. And then these concepts, I can literally just say, okay, like, you know, I can go into an ID or something, make a Next. You know, project and then say chat GBT, give me an example project.

I don't know anything about this. What does this folder mean? What does this page mean? And it's like a very nonjudgmental way to learn these things. And you don't have to it's so exciting because you don't have to go into the like, you don't actually have to learn the words and the numbers and the letters.

Stephen Robles

Right. You just have

Sara Dietschy

to learn the structure. Right?

Stephen Robles

That's I don't know. That's what I'm saying. Oh, that's exciting. That's exciting. The most coding I ever did was HTML and CSS.

And so I get daunted. I did try a little bit of Python with ChatGPT because I was trying to figure out how to use Whisper on the Mac with shortcuts Yeah, to auto good.

Sara Dietschy

Just was doing that last night.

Stephen Robles

I was I got so close, I was exporting Python files from ChatGPT and trying to run them. Was like, I don't know what I'm doing at all. And I just it was too

Sara Dietschy

So this is the thing, is you literally just have to push through.

Jason Aten

And you've got to lay the baby down and it's gonna cry for a while but don't let it in your bed.

Sara Dietschy

That metaphor is better here.

Stephen Robles

Got it. Got it.

Sara Dietschy

And then in hindsight, you know, once you're doing a second time, you're like, I understand this a little bit better. Sure. You know, because I was just doing that with very simple, you know, how people download YouTube videos from terminal, the YT

Stephen Robles

YT downloads. Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

I was just dealing with an issue with that because it needed my cookies or something, know, and then you have to go download a blah blah blah. And I was like, this is so I don't understand this and then, you know, you figure it out and then you're like, oh, okay. I'm good now.

Stephen Robles

Did you are you familiar with Downy? The

Sara Dietschy

app? Yeah. I use I use Downy. I use Downy just for me personally, but

Stephen Robles

Right. It was for automations and stuff. Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

It's for automations. Yeah. I I needed a way to only download the first ten minutes of a video for the studio inspo thing because I'm like someone's a role you don't need the full video. So if I'm downloading a podcast yeah so there's things that you can do.

Stephen Robles

Okay okay. I still remember my very first job out of college I was just learning how to build websites with RapidWeaver. I don't know if you ever heard of that. I

Sara Dietschy

know that is.

Stephen Robles

Yes. So weird. But I remember during my I'd never actually published a website and gotten it live. But in the job interview, were like, Can you make us a website? I said, absolutely.

I got it, even though I had never actually done it. And so I just remember that first month of working there, I was tirelessly because I didn't even understand where to upload on a server via FTP to get a website live. I just didn't

Sara Dietschy

mean, I just learned stuff like that, you know? And what's so crazy is in college, we focus so much on, like, the syntax and, like, the four loops. And ironically, that's not what matters anymore. So I knew some of that, but me being in an IDE and setting up a project was so intimidating because we didn't actually learn how to like structure a project and how what does localhost mean again? Wait.

Okay. So this actually isn't on the Internet, but this is just opening up a Chrome, you know Yes. On my own computer. And so I feel like I'm doing it in reverse. I feel like now I'm learning kinda all the basic structure stuff, but really that's all you need to know now.

Stephen Robles

No. That's cool. Alright. One last suggestion, then my last question would be baby tech, if you got any smart home tech for for baby stuff. But I saw in your video you talked about Color Picker for Mac, which is an app where you can identify colors.

Sara Dietschy

So good. So simple.

Stephen Robles

Have you heard of the app Pastel? Are you familiar with that? No. All right, so I'm gonna show you this Is

Sara Dietschy

it its own app?

Stephen Robles

It is its own app. This is Pastel, and it's wonderful. But you can basically create color sets. In the set, you can have all the colors. And an app.

Yeah. And you can copy the hex and RGB. But one of the cool features is if you wanna create a new set, I can then drag an image. Like, I'll drag our podcast artwork in here, it will identify the colors in the image. And I can import that as a set and now have all the hex codes from right there.

That's cool. Yeah. It's cool.

Sara Dietschy

Would love an app. I did find one website. I forgot what it was called. So I don't even know why I'm mentioning it, but I would love

Stephen Robles

It exists. Believe me.

Sara Dietschy

It exists out there. I would love something that helps you go through color schemes for like websites and UI quicker. Sure. Because that's actually really That's still like a hard thing that I struggle with. Someone needs to make that.

Stephen Robles

Didn't Adobe used to have a color wheel where you can choose two colors and it would tell you complementary things?

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. There's a lot

Jason Aten

of Like it would say nice things to you? You picture colors, and It's it'd be very

Stephen Robles

like the joke about the complementary peanuts at the bar. Was the well, I'll show you. This is the it's the Adobe Color web page or whatever. And it's like, you can drag the colors around. It'll tell you complementary, and you can choose color harmony is analogous or monochromatic.

And then you can see which ones work or whatever. Anyway, just like the Adobe color wheel.

Sara Dietschy

I found it.

Stephen Robles

Okay.

Sara Dietschy

Go to realtimecolors.com. This website has gotten

Jason Aten

Sounds like a used car

Stephen Robles

sale, too.

Sara Dietschy

What I want. Know. So I need something like this, but just a little bit better. Okay. That's my pitch.

Stephen Robles

Real to visualize your personal phone. Oh, see. You can like test.

Sara Dietschy

And you can change it.

Stephen Robles

Gotcha. Wow, their pro and enterprise plans are zero dollars. Oh, okay. Oh, no. So so no, this this is the thing.

Sara Dietschy

So change the colors down there.

Stephen Robles

So this is like the example website.

Jason Aten

We're not actually selling you a Yeah. Plan

Stephen Robles

they Oh, I see.

Sara Dietschy

You know, so it's interactive. I love stuff like this. So like right out of the gate, it's interactive. That's that's a cool

Stephen Robles

part of That's pretty slick. Okay. I'll them that. That's pretty cool.

Sara Dietschy

I would love and maybe you can do this if you if you buy it. Honestly, yeah, I'm

Stephen Robles

That's pretty cool. We'll put those links in the in the shows for everybody. Alright. We do

Sara Dietschy

My cat?

Stephen Robles

What is

Sara Dietschy

he doing? My cat.

Stephen Robles

Listen, Adam.

Sara Dietschy

Judy. Go. Get down.

Stephen Robles

Have to watch on YouTube too. Wow.

Jason Aten

That cat just talked right back to you.

Stephen Robles

I am. Right. So typically, we do a personal tech segment, and then we usually have a bonus episode. I'm gonna ask you a bunch of, do you have the battery percentage on on your iPhone or not for our bonus episode? I'll ask you all those weird little questions.

But I'm a smart home guy, and, Jason does have smart home stuff too. When baby came, did you get any smart home stuff that helped? Or

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. I mean, I got the Nanit camera, and that was cool until we started, like, doing a little bit of traveling. And then WiFi cameras are pointless if you're in a hotel. So we literally just went to just like the boring old

Stephen Robles

RF.

Sara Dietschy

RF baby. And honestly, I never switched back. So, I'm finding some of the old school to kinda be Yes. Better. But we're just straight up, you know, I got yeah, I don't we rent, so I I don't get super into

Stephen Robles

Old smart home tech.

Sara Dietschy

Home tech, but I I I mean, I have, you know, WiFi like, plugs that turn on lamps automatically. But that's that's basically, like, the extent.

Stephen Robles

Okay. Okay. I know Andrew O'Hara. He was my co host at HomeKit Insider for a while. He went crazy.

He has, like, a smart crib, and they have thermometers now. Do do you ever get, like, a wireless thermometer thing?

Sara Dietschy

I have a normal thermometer.

Stephen Robles

I mean, aren't they all wireless if they have batteries in them? They're

Sara Dietschy

all wireless?

Stephen Robles

Yeah. No. It was like, this thermometer you can somehow integrate with baby.

Jason Aten

Wait, hold on.

Stephen Robles

Hold on. No. No. No. Don't.

Don't.

Sara Dietschy

So I did go down the rabbit hole of the Owlsock. It used to be useful because it gave you real time data. Right. But the freaking FDA came in and like all the blah blah blah.

Jason Aten

Are what are they? Stop Yeah. Integrating these thermometers with babies.

Sara Dietschy

Yeah. They basically said, oh, like you can't you either need to call this a medical device or not. They wanted to keep selling to just consumers, obviously. And now, it's basically like you're putting a like a whoop band on your baby. So it'll give you like summarizations of the breathing over the past like hour.

But it doesn't actually give you real time data. So I for new parents, not I I do not think it's worth it. I Mhmm. For me personally, like it would have been helpful to have the old one. I feel like the first month when we were super paranoid.

But really, ultimately, at some point, you have to like jump off the cliff of like, you've done the stuff, you don't you don't give a six month old a pillow and a blanket because they could potentially suffocate. You don't put stuff in your crib. A certain point, kinda just gotta take the jump and let your baby do its thing, you know?

Stephen Robles

You let the baby cry. You put it down.

Sara Dietschy

I don't, I, yeah, I, for the record, I don't do that, but

Stephen Robles

Okay. Your baby never cries? You just never, never come No,

Sara Dietschy

no, She cries, but we didn't do sleep training.

Stephen Robles

Yeah. Yeah.

Sara Dietschy

We basically held her until for literally the first two or three months she was home, me and my husband did shifts of like Right. We would just I would watch, like, I burned through seven hours of Grey's Anatomy at night just holding her in the chair.

Stephen Robles

But only on captions, like, you're just reading the captions?

Sara Dietschy

No. No. That's what's crazy. She was so out of it that I literally would like play it. It wasn't loud, but I'd play it out loud.

Then when she started noticing, had to wear AirPods. But Yeah. And we just like held her until she was comfortable in her, not crib, but what's it called?

Stephen Robles

Bassinet. The bassinet. Yeah. I will say when my daughter, she was born in 2016, so right before AirPods came out, And so any shifts that I had to stay up with her I did watch things, but it was on mute, and I just read the captions. Man, so sorry, genuinely.

Jason Aten

Yeah. It's

Stephen Robles

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