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I sense injuries. The data could be called pain. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. Lots of AI news this week. Jim and I finally released their Mac app. Resolve 21 has built AI features like de-aging just built right into the app. Adobe Firefly doing a ton more AI stuff across Photoshop, Lightroom. The new Claude app launched with Parallel Sessions, Jason has a story about DoorDash, and he even built some of his own apps. All of that and a ton more. This episode is brought to you by Copilot Money, Shopify, and you, the members who support us directly. I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles, joined by developer Jason Aten. How's it going, Jason? Sorry, no, You're gonna make people mad at me, Stephen. no, no, he didn't say that. He didn't say his developer, but he did make some apps. Vibe coded. I'm a product manager apparently. You're product manager. Jason vibe coded some stuff. We're gonna talk about that in personal tech. That's super fun. All the AI stuff. All right, let's get ready to do five star reviews. We had a few. Thank you so much We've been in like the top 50 60 shows in Apple podcast I don't know if I think I got a couple of screenshots that these people our show has shown up in the video podcast feature for some people in Apple podcast So that's super fun. But yeah, we've been like top 50 60 shows So thank you all for that, Sweet.

but prox now from the USA, which I recognize you I hope you continue to beat the we want a new Apple TV drum and he was saying we should, she's shaking his head. I made a whole video about why we need a new Apple TV and what I want out of it, and literally posting a video as we record right now about my $3,000 movie box. You still don't think we need a new Apple TV, Those two things are not the same just to be clear. huh? They're not the same thing, I that's the same thing. think that the current Apple TV is already overpowered for what it does. So unless they're going to dramatically make the Apple TV do something different. Steven, I have I have like literally seven or eight year old Apple TVs that are just functioning fine. Yeah, well, Progeny has had a less good experience, which is unique. mean, I have five Apple TVs running in my house at all times. And like, I don't really have any issues with them, but I totally get it. I totally get it. So I still want a new Apple TV. New Apple TV, Bob Lely is from Canada. Steve and the other guy make a perfect team. We're a perfect team, according to Bob from Canada. This is true. This is true. Super dedicated, professional. Thank you all for that. A-A Ron, reference acknowledged, from the USA. Missed me off from Apple Cider, but glad he found this show. And he asked, the other guy even like technology? Jason, do you like technology? Moving on. No, no, just kidding. Yes, of course I like technology. just, this is how I described it to Stephen earlier. I'll just say, I think I am cynically optimistic about technology. I think that's a good phrase. In our pre-show, if you become a member, which the deal is still going on, I'll just go ahead link it in the show notes again, you can support the show and get the whole pre-show, which is like half an hour long, and the bonus episodes, and the ad-free version of Primer Tech Daily, all for like $2.50 a month. But we talked about the difference of what it means to really review and critique technology versus what I do on YouTube and whose responsibility is it to tell the world when a product sucks. so yeah, we talked about Well, and just like I think the reason that this works too so well for you and I is Stevens default position. This is an over generalization is this is going to be amazing. Mm-hmm. Sure, sure.

I can't wait to try it. And my default position is this is going to suck until Yeah.

you prove to me otherwise. I think, yeah, I think that's the crux. I think that's it. But I do love it when they prove to me otherwise. Right, and then when mine proved to actually suck, I just don't talk about it again. I just don't mention it. Like the, Right.

well, I don't want to mention the product because then I feel bad. But anyway, okay, so moving on. La French Fab from the USA five-star review. Installed Apple Podcast just to leave this review. Battery percentage on, back pocket, screen facing in horizontal tabs. So he does the landscape tab. You still been using the landscape tabs? Or the vertical tab. the vertical tabs because he's not using ~ right, right. vertical tabs. Right. so they're they do the horizontal tabs like God intended like I use it Like God intended or Scott Forstall or the person that made like Firefox you do the vertical tip Yeah, that's right Yeah, dad 20 years ago. don't know. The fire the I saw an Instagram time-lapse like it was a real showing the browser Share over the past like 30 years. It was wild one to see like Netscape Like take Yeah.

it over and then disappear and then Internet Explorer take over and disappear and then Firefox and then Chrome It was it was a fascinating a thing. I think it was accurate anyway, and then dub pancake boys from the USA That's funny name battery percentage off phone in crossbody bag. You need to tell us is that the ~ What was that brand? Is it Isumiaki? I don't think it's the sock. The iPhone sock.

Crossbody bag? Yeah, probably not. Basic Apple guy, do you carry it around in that sock? I want to know. That's all. All right. and I wanted to give a shout out to Aaron, who sent me an email I talked about last week about Claude writing some code for my Cloudflare worker job, and I had no idea what it was. And Aaron sent me very nice email. He literally went line by line and explained what each line that Claude wrote, what it did. And it's not doing anything nefarious, and so I appreciate that. So thank you, Aaron. Erin email me because when I talk about my apps, I've had a lot of people start asking me if I would give it to them and I might need someone to look at them first to make sure that they're not secretly syncing these notes to who knows where. And Aaron, I'm just saying this could be a job opportunity. Absolutely. Side gig, just checking people's vibe coded apps. Absolutely. That is the missing link. I feel like that, I don't know, that might be an industry pretty soon. Of people, just people. You think so? It probably already is an industry. just all the people work inside big companies where they're using Claude to make stuff. Yeah, that's fair enough. And we gotta talk about the Claude app too in a minute. Alright, and last feedback, Darkshot Coffee on X actually sent me this, the Ferrari Luce, right? I think it's the Luce. They released a video showing the interior Yeah. Yep.

of their Johnny Ive designed car. It's like a rendering. I don't think it's actual footage, but it shows what it looks like all put together. All the iPad-like rounded corners and the screen in the middle, the shifter. Listen, I'm not a car guy, definitely not a sports car guy. So I don't know, guys let us know, what does this look like? Is this cool? Is this the thing? I don't know. It looks like something from a Pixar movie.

This video does kind of look like it kind of looks like the Incredibles car from the increase like That's a good point yeah, Yeah, that's that is exactly what this makes me think of.

like Incredibles 3 they might be driving this car. There's the iPad in the middle they actually might be driving this car and I, incredible story. There's a decent chance that the product placement will be this. That's true. There might be that might be a deal. So anyway, thanks for sending that over. All right. Some kind of wild AI news this week. And I just wanted to start with this hilarious story. Allbirds, the shoe company, has pivoted to being an AI company. Yes, like to yesterday. And the stock jumped 600 percent upon this announcement. Now, if you're not familiar with Allbirds, Allbirds has been around for I don't know, eight or nine years? I actually, when they launched, it felt very like, oh man, these shoes are amazing. I actually bought a pair of Allbirds very early on. And then they have not been able to be profitable in the last five to six years, and their sales dropped nearly 50 % between 2022, 2025. So they are selling off all of their assets, and they're going to reform like a Voltron into a company called Newbird AI, and they're going to acquire...

GPUs and then basically become a GPU as a service, which is now a new like business, you know, if you're not familiar, there's like SAS pass, which is like software as a service platform as a service. Like those are just kind of acronyms that some companies put themselves under like a podcast host is a SAS software as a service. And so they're going to become a GPU. A S I don't know how to say that about Chris like a GPU as a service and a native cloud solutions provider. This is hilarious.

I don't I mean, I kind of understood all the words that you said, but they don't all make sense in the order that you use them. Right. Like I mean, I listen. I had a pair of all birds. Well.

They were great. They were what I called my airport shoes. They were like the shoes that were perfect. were lightweight. They were like easy to take on and off. They were wool. They were, yeah. Yeah. They didn't survive very well. If it was wet, they weren't. didn't. What this this what I was gonna say so like I bought a pair for me and my wife early on like when all birds first came on the scene and Like they were cool. They looked cool. Like they were wool. You could throw them in the washing machine, whatever But like over time we actually didn't like them as shoes and we never bought another pair and so the the drop in profitability and like Losing the business model actually makes sense to like when I told my wife that she was like, ~ yeah We didn't really like those shoes anyway So like they may just not have been a great shoe company and then there were other Competitions like Adams came out and you know, they have a bunch of partnerships and stuff. But but yeah that I'm curious now we need to predict Now this this would be insider trading but like what company is now going to pivot from whatever wild business they do now to AI because of the compute shortage Well, okay, so hold on, we can do that in a second. Yeah, yeah. There's a difference between... Nvidia making GPUs for gaming PCs, pivoting to making massive GPUs for training and inference on large language models Yes.

and then the entire stack that they've created and CUDA, which is like with a platform you can develop. But that's different, right? That is not the same thing as we make shoes. Right.

Now we rent GPUs. Those are not the same thing. Not at all, not at all. Also, This is all based on like a $50 million investment. That's like six GPUs right now. red.

Like I don't even know like who are you renting them to? Right? It's I could put it on those shelves right back there. Their server farm is gonna be an apartment. It's gonna be a studio apartment Yeah, It'd be like all birds call me like Joe. you could just run it right there Yeah, you could be yeah, you'll think you'll take some of that cut We can work something out. My shed has a mini split. It's can it's a climate controlled. You ready? Ready to go. That's it. It's it's ready to go. I will not take 50 million. It will be a lot. We can work out a deal. That's it. think, let me see, let me think here. Maybe, Red Bull's already doing a bunch. Red Bull, I mean, I can see them getting into GPU market. Red Bull is not going to pivot as much as it just constantly spins around in circles. That's like the way it works. That's right and spins people around in circles with crazy stunts. Exactly. You know what mean? Anyway, if you if no, I'm not gonna say that but I will see I'm curious what other companies legitimately pivot to AI just because of this moment and Then how many like give up maybe good business models because they're trying to jump on this hype train and then it goes away peak design. peeked his backpacks to GPUs. I like that. I like that. ~ you laugh, but is it more weird than shoes to GPUs? No, no, I don't know. That's what I'm trying to think of something weirder than shoes that could actually pivot and I really, I really don't know. Buddy brew coffee beans maybe. Little Debbie. I don't know. That's it. Hostess and Little Debbie, the next AI companies. ~ this is brilliant. Hostess it's right there in the name. They're going to host the GPUs.

All right, I'm to put us in the comedy category now. All right, so more AI news. Jim and I finally released their Mac app. You can download it now. I was getting mixed reports from people of whether it's available outside the US, so may or may not. This is the Mac app. You download it. I did it immediately. I have some concerns and critiques, first of all. I'm glad I made a Mac app. I was tired of going to the web interface, but there are some things missing. So first of all, this is what it actually looks like. This is my live Gemini Mac app. This gradient is too much. I don't like this gradient at the bottom. It's too much. I feel like the design, it feels a little meh. Also, it's missing like model pickers. I mean, you can choose between like fast thinking and pro, but I don't know, that feels a little limited there. But also no custom gems. So I have actually ~ trained custom Gemini gems for specific use cases. You don't have access to the gems in there. And you can share a window to give Gemini context on what you're working on, but it is... not like Claude Cowork. Now Google has said this is like setting the groundwork for building a really robust Mac app that will have, you know, more access and kind of that super app that all these companies are talking about. But I don't know, what were your impressions when you downloaded it? I do you like it? Same, same. Well, I'm glad they made a Mac app. I'm glad they actually made a real Mac app, Right. right? Like this is an act. It's not electron garbage. I'm Correct. Correct. like Claude is, I'm very, very, very glad that they did that. The reason they had to do that was like the killer feature of this is actually not the app. It's the fact that you can be looking at your browser and you can hit option space. I actually had to remap that because I use option space for maybe Alfred. No, I use it for actual spotlight because I use command space for Alfred. So I remapped it, but you can pull up this little tiny floating window, Uh-huh.

right? It looks like spotlight. It looks like spotlight, but if you hit the plus, it'll just include a screenshot of whatever you're looking at. If you want it to right, you can share that window with. Correct.

And so you could just pull that command up and be like, explain what's actually the first thing I did was I just, I did that. I was like, explain what's happening here. And it did. It told me exactly what was happening and explained it. yeah.

So in that, that's the feature that they really wanted. want you to use is like use Gemini from anywhere on your context on whatever you're doing. You could pull it up. You could switch your screens out of ~ an email that was sent to you, the one that you got in Chinese or whatever, and be like, explain to me what's happening here. Tell me what's going on in this email. Right, translate this. Right. So I think that's great. What that means is you have to give it screen reporting permissions. So you have to decide if that's the thing you want to do with Google. Hmm.

Now, Google is big company and it's not going to be worth it to them to just constantly looking at everything that you're doing. And they already, if you have personalized context enable, can look at your Gmail and your photos and your drive and your docs right right and all that stuff anyway. But you should be careful because this I also get... Yeah.

is a new product, there's a much greater chance that they're going to be using review processes to like, how effective is this working? Are these answers lining up with the users? Right. Which just means that there's always gonna be a possibility that there's a person who will see whatever it is that you share with. And also I got a number of pop-ups after I installed it and opened it and like app background activity and it says Google updater can run in the background and then you know I could go to the system settings login items and extensions and turn that off and then I got a second one that I forgot to screenshot talking about I think that it'll Start you know it'll it'll when you restart your Mac or start your Mac It'll like open automatically, and I didn't see it in the list just yet like the immediate live So there was just some pop-ups that like, it felt like when I install Chrome, which I had since deleted recently when I figured I could have Claude work in Brave. And so there were a lot of pop-ups that felt like, is like installing Chrome. And I didn't feel great about that ~ because Google, I don't know, it just gets in there. I feel like the tentacles just get in there when you download their apps. That's just a feeling. ~ But then there were also a post on Macedon because it was like, this, it's not an Electron app, which Electron is like, a wrapper for basically a web app. That's what Slack is. That's what the Claude app is. like it doesn't those apps don't feel great on the Mac. If there's an intangible feeling you have when you use an app like Slack, it's because it's an electronic. Yeah, because it's literally just a web view wrapped in a desktop app. Correct, and that's garbage to be clear. So, right, and so I saw this post on Mastodon by Gus. Yeah, make an app people.

He was saying that it has a huge executable binary. I don't know what that means, but basically that there's a bunch of Objective-C classes, and Objective-C is like the pre-Swift, like, Apple language. Not just Apple, but that's what a lot of Apple apps were written in. And it looks like there's a lot of JavaScript to Objective-C being transformed, and this... Support article that I'll also link it talks about that Google has this tool inside that will transform Java source code to objective C for iOS and So I don't like I'm not technical enough to know exactly everything that's happening, but I will say the app feels weird sometimes it doesn't feel like I Don't know like first party. They're like a Apple developer app that's made for it and the reason why I bring that up is because Sundar Parcha I actually posted on X that this app was developed using anti-gravity AI, which is Google's AI developer tool, and was talking about how it was written in Swift or whatever, but I don't know, I need more information. I wanna know more about the details there. If anybody has any resources on that, I'm curious. Or if you have the ability to look at the code and really see what's going on under the hood, I would just be curious, because something feels a little weird to me. It's intangible. first of all, it's made by Google. So it's gonna feel weird. Have you ever used Gmail? Okay, sure. Well, no, I use fast mail. Like, come on. But okay. I said, ~ yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Have you ever used Gmail? Right. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do that, yeah. But I mean, they Google said I'm trying to find it. But they said they they spent 100 days they built this thing from the ground up in Swift. Now, did they use code from other places? I got probably like I mean, but they also have they already have a Gemini app on the iPhone. Like so I mean, All I'm just The fact you know that it's a native app in ways because like the right click context menus are like the stock right click context menus you'd expect to have right like and so it's much better than running electron right.

if for no other reason than you load like an electron app like I'll load one password past sponsor of the show fine and all of a sudden it's using Yeah.

3.5 gigs of memory and it's not because I have that many passwords it's just because Right. it's an electron app which means it's Chrome which means it's just like inflating to consume all Earth. Yeah. All the resources, Right. It's like, what was the movie? everything, yeah. The Ryan Gosling movie right now? No, the one that the yeah, I was gonna say the blob. Project Hail Mary, the astrophage. Yeah, Yeah. thank you. It's like trying to consume the sun or whatever. So anyway, That is what Chrome does in the background. Yeah. so I think it's good. I think there are some quirkiness to it. Like it's kind of weird that the default font size is massive in the. So... yeah, strange. Also the icon's real gray. I don't know why. I know it's nitpicking, It does but... look like it is inactive. That's what that icon looks like. Yeah. It's like you have Gemini down here, but it's gone to sleep. It's really sad or something. So anyway, I'm glad they made a native app though. Yeah. Yeah. That was what people wanted, unlike some other AI chat option. Yeah, I am too. download it. I will be using it because I do use all the AIs in different ways. And I was using the Mac apps for Claude and ChatjpT and we're gonna talk about that Claude app in a minute. But ~ yeah, we'll see. It's out there. You can download it. And the chat GBT app though is much better, much, much, much better. ChatGPT app is the best, it's the best chat app. It's the best AI chat bot app, I think. You have your custom GPTs, it feels fast, it feels native, like, yeah, that is, I think, one of the best apps. But speaking of AI and things, DaVinci Resolve, made by Blackmagic, they had an event where they announced a bunch of stuff, but Resolve 21 is now available in a preview beta, and they've added a bunch of crazy features to DaVinci Resolve 21, one being more... photo editing tools. Now DaVinci Resolve is thought of as a video editing tool and a lot of people look to it for like color grading as like the best color grading experience that you can get in an app. But so they've now taken that and are trying to compete with Lightroom and have built photo editing capabilities into DaVinci Resolve so much so that you can process raw photos from like Sony, Nikon, Canon, all of that directly in Resolve 21. and has all the same color correction and tools that you could do with video footage in Resolve. Now you can do it with still images. And you can import images from the photo, like the Apple Photos app from Adobe Lightroom catalog files. So all of that competing now with Lightroom. So that's interesting. But then they're also just building more AI tools directly into Resolve. And there's de-aging and aging using AI just right into the app. And DaVinci Resolve is like free. Download and just use which is also why it kind of exploded in popularity in the last few years because it was one of the cheapest options and it was really good and You know black magic really makes their money with the hardware. They sell lots of different hardware You know both consumer and professional grade but man D aging is just gonna like be there and available and anybody could do it like I don't know We're just in a place though. These AI tools are just out there Yeah, I downloaded this because the 21 beta because I didn't have I had 20 on my machine I don't really use it a lot but I wanted to check out the photo stuff and I think what is kind of messing me up is I don't want my photo editing app buried inside of a video editing app it's just like one tab down That is... yeah. at the bottom it's like this this has to be way too heavy for what I want to use it for if all I want is to edit photos I can understand that Right.

if you're doing both on a regular basis or if you're going to be using photos in your video project, this is pretty killer because you don't have to go from one app to go to Lightroom and then export either a TIFF file or a JPEG or a PNG or whatever it is you're going to use in your video. So that's great. But like I there's a part of me that's like, if I really wanted to try this out, I want a dedicated app for that. Yeah, and maybe that's the next step, you know, maybe there'll be a DaVinci whatever other app name and they might have like break out the photo editing but DaVinci developed, DaVinci Develop.

I that's a nice alliteration. Yeah, I don't know, anyway. DaVinci Resolve 21, so that's out there, preview beta and more AI and software. Adobe announced updates to Firefly, which is like their AI assistant. And I'll include this link if you want to go to it, but if you're watching, you can see it right here. They kind of have this preview where... different things you can just prompt Adobe Firefly and the use cases are actually pretty wild like let's say you've taken some headshots for your business maybe a small business you can just give it a bunch of photos and just prompt it hey touch up these headshots and it will auto align auto center and adjust the lighting on all the headshots so they match you can tell it to mock up like give it a logo and just say mock up a bunch of merch and it will do all of that you can tell it to resize a single image for all the different ad sizes like Facebook ads Instagram ads and Firefly will just do that. And this is one of the things where this is not generative per se. I mean, it is like starting from a logo, starting from like your brand or whatever. These tools feel really good, especially for a small business. You know, just helping a friend who owns a chiropractor office in Lakeland set up some Facebook ads and like all the different sizes of graphics that you need specifically for a Facebook ad and it won't even let you published until you've met all these requirements. And they are not graphic designers. They basically have one logo that they paid for years ago, and that's all they have. It's like, this would actually be a nice tool. Now, someone has to have all the Adobe apps in order to use Firefly. But for mocking up a bunch of stuff or being able to do 50 headshots for a company and rather than going through each headshot and aligning and cropping and even copy and pasting adjustments, just being able to prompt it, that seems pretty useful. ~ I think that might be positive. What do think? I think Adobe's AI stuff is sort of interesting because I don't think like Adobe is where people do a lot of this work and you've always had to go somewhere else. Like so you could go to Gemini and use Nano Banana if you want to do like generative things. And Adobe is like we don't like this is the thing. This is like the Apple killing the iPod with the iPhone. Right. Well, someone's going to do it.

It should just be us. And so I feel like that that's what Adobe is doing here. Adobe also has the benefit of a company full of people who just think all day long about how to increase subscription price. No, I mean, how about how creatives are doing? How to serve the customer. How creatives are doing creative work. And so you would think they would be in the position. But then the other thing that's happening is you just described a scenario that Adobe is like, Yes, even say that louder, because right now all those small businesses are just doing it on Canva. Right, that is true. That is true. which will do exactly what you just described. I know Canva has an AI, it has tools like that, just for all that kind of stuff. Yeah, and it has templates for everything. Right. You can be like, I'm going to make a Facebook ad. And it's like, here, do you want to? Here's a template. And here's the thing. So. That is true. You know, and what ended up happening as I was helping these friends set up the ads, like my one friend would just get on his phone and like try to re crop things until Facebook accepted it. It's like as the image size and they're like, all right, we're good. That's like, Yeah. that's like the lowest barrier to entry is just like using the crop tool in the photos app on your phone. And so it is, it is a ~ cell that you have to convince people to be like, this is worth it. But if you're, you know, a freelancer, and you want to do like a brand kit for somebody. Hopefully you're making the brand yourself and not just generating that with AI. But once you actually have a logo and then you want to be able to mock it up on a bunch of merch to show a brand like, here's what it looks like on shirts and hats and bags. And also here's what it looks like on a sign outside your store window. I don't know, I feel less ~ agita about using AI for those parts of the process as opposed to like actually generating the logo itself. How do you feel about that as far as the AI being involved in that part of the process? You're saying you've already created the thing and you just want to put it in a bunch of, I mean, yeah, that kind of makes sense. It's like AI will come up with creative ideas for you. But what you're really asking it to do is like this thing that would take me an hour and a half. You could just do it really quickly and then I can move Right. on to the next thing. I'm fine with that. Like, I don't think that's a problem. Yeah, I feel like because I feel like pixel made a pro since the last update with creator studio They actually have like merch templates where you can open up a tote a shirt a hat And literally just drag a logo into the pixelmator canvas and when you drop it It will just warp the logo so it looks like it's on the bag or it's on the shirt and it's like That feels like one step away that maybe kind of a meaningless step to just like prompting AI to be like hey Can you put this on a shirt? So I feel okay with that. I know people have really strong feelings and I feel increasing like on social media that there's like more pushback on all the AI stuff but then also I think people are still using it more for more use cases. I don't know. Do you feel that tension at all? Do you not see that? Yeah, everyone is using it. No one wants to talk about it. That's fine. Like, I mean, I get it. Right, yeah. Like if it's the thing that might destroy your personal career, like you probably don't want to tell people you're using it. But I operate from a philosophy that you should only do what only you can do. Hmm.

So like Steven, you're the only person who can make the Steven Robles videos and be on the camera because like it's you, right? But there are infinity things that don't have to be you, right? And if you're the designer and you have the idea and you have the, creating the brand, do that part, but mocking it up on t-shirts is not a thing that only you can do. Right.

And when you come across those things, you may have a great person who works for you that does that. But if you don't, I think it's fine to use these tools. You should just never use them to do the thing that only you can do, which is speak in your voice or create your ideas. Hmm.

Yeah, that's good. That's good, Jason. You should write about that. That's pretty good. Probably have. I'm pretty sure I have, but maybe I'll look into it again. All right, we need to talk about slash complain about the Claude app because Claude messed me over. I was doing a live stream yesterday and it was just failing. ~ But they did add a bunch of new features too. Even Claude code is now in the app as opposed to having to go in the terminal. So we're to get to all of that. But before we do, I do want to thank two of our friends. And the first one is... can help you budget and get ready for this summer so you can go on vacation and start saving for it. It is Co-Pilot Money. Co-Pilot Money is available here in the US. It's a beautifully designed money tracking app. It you, helps your finances feel clear, calm, and fully under control. And one of the things I love about the Co-Pilot app is it looks great on all the platforms. So you can do iPhone, iPad, Mac, and on the web. 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And they also added things that they call parallel agents, which I had it rename a bunch of files the other day and it said it was using parallel agents. So was like, okay, I guess if this gets it done faster, but it was totally broken for like half the day. I was in my live stream and I said, here's a folder in my finder, rename the files in there. And it was like, sorry, I don't know. Something's wrong. And I was like, really? And then there was another update late yesterday. I don't know if you saw that. it... It did work after that update, but I was like, Claude, come on, let's get your act together. You got Mythos AI that you won't even release to the public. It's so powerful and you can't rename some files in my finder, so. mean, maybe Mythos broke the cloud app.

I like that conspiracy. I like that. We can roll with that. Maybe we'll... Yeah, so well, OK, Yeah, go ahead. two things. They did add co-work. No, I'm sorry. Plug code to the app previously because that was what I was using. And I asked a chat window quite, you know, quite in the chat. I was like, can you? You know, I this app that I made over there. Can you go look at it and make some suggestions for names? It's like plug code is a command line thing. I don't know what you're talking about. Like I don't have access to those. And I'm like, but it's like literally in the same app. Like just look over there. Just. do the thing you do and Yeah. just figure it out and it wouldn't. But it used to be like there was three options at the top of the app and so you could see which mode you're in and they got rid of that. And now there are just three tiny little icons above and it's like, Yeah, it's very tiny. how am I supposed to know which of those three things is which? I don't like it at all. Now there are a shift in like the, what the interface looks like if you go to code, it goes from like obsidian gray to like dark mode. This is what it looks like. Yeah, if you're watching, so this is the new Claude Mac app. Ha Here's Claude code. And yeah, it looks like this is professional now. We're in the code world. And then this is co-work. and co-work and then there's chat yeah And so it's a little lighter gray. And then there's chat. And so yeah, it's chat. mean, just put the words always appearing next to the icon so it's a little more obvious what you're in. Yeah, I don't like that. It's like you wouldn't automatically be you don't feel like you're switching between three modes. And maybe that's what they want. But then I shouldn't actually have to be in different modes if you don't want Yeah.

me to think I'm in different modes. Like just put it next to the submit button. Do you want to submit this to code, co-work or chat? Like, I don't know. That is true, yeah. Anyway, I don't know. I just. I'm glad that code is now in the UI, because now I might actually try to use it more, because I never felt comfortable in Terminal. I know other people have gotten used to it. yeah, I was never going to use it if it was, Yeah. if I had to just figure out something in terminal. I know the reason it wasn't working for you is probably because Anthropic just cannot get enough compute. And so it takes a long time to do certain things at certain times when they just do not have nearly enough compute right now. Like that's, that is their limiting factor. Right.

Like it is, it is probably sure. I'm sure they'll figure it out, solve it. But like that would be an existential problem for a company like this is to get more compute. So if you find yourself where it's like, you know, can we, can we wait? Can we do that later? Could I take a nap first? It was like noon, it was like 12 p.m., which is probably like the start of the work day for everybody in San Francisco. They're all opening cloud code immediately. Yeah. Yep. Even everybody in Apple Park, which we're talk about, like everybody using it. yeah, I mean, it's working now. Maybe this is where Allbirds is gonna come to the rescue. Allbirds is gonna help them with some of GPU. This is not where all birds is gonna come to the rescue, just to be clear. And it's new bird, No, not at all. yeah, just to be. Nuber at AI, excuse me. ~ But also in this update, Claude, actually, you can now do parallel sessions. So you can start a task and then start another task, and Claude can be working on those simultaneously, and routines and automations. So you can actually schedule things to run at certain times of day, and those automations will run in the Cloud and supposedly not on the Mac. I feel like that's dependent on unless the task has to do with something on your Mac. Like if you have Cloud Cowork and you create a routine where like every morning it renames all the files in your downloads folder, it's probably your Mac needs to be on. But I some tasks you can schedule it to be routine and automation and it'll run in the Cloud, even if your Mac is off. yeah, scheduled automations. Cloud, Yeah. Cloud. I still ~ have specific use cases. I still go to ChatjpT for these things, Cloud for these things. Are you still straddling the line between some of these? Yeah, and now they put Gemini on my Mac, so I gotta figure out how to work that in there. I just need a whole space on my Mac. I'll just put the three chat apps side by side. Just do it all. And then they can race. and then make them race.

To the death. Like, what is that, Maze Runner? Just kidding. I've actually never seen that. yeah, there we go. Hunger Games. just, I just, yeah, Hulu games. All right, I want you to tell, I saw this story and I'm gonna put the Apple News article in the show notes. Can you tell me what DoorDash did? I didn't know this happened. Hold on one of our one of our five star reviews explicitly said something about how I appreciate you guys don't get if you don't mix the show with politics. This I don't want this to be a story about politics. No. So just understand that but and I think the backstory here was that there's this like policy or law that you don't pay Taxes now on tips up to a certain amount of money and so to highlight this They did this thing with door dash where door dash sent a person to them well No, White House. they the White House to deliver some McDonald's to the president because the president famously is a big fan of McDonald's and Something like that. He had that whole spread for like the Olympic team, whatever, or some sports team, Yeah served in Big Macs or whatever and so people online Were like you tried yeah. Yeah.

to make this look like this was just this impromptu door dash delivery to the president and was clearly staged which the point I tried to make was everything about the president take the current person out of it. Every interaction the president has is staged right the logistics that go into ordering food putting it in a bag getting a person to knock on the door of the Oval Office and hand bags the literal Oval Office. to the president. That is not a thing that can happen just impromptu person walks off the street like okay. No one thought this was not staged. Correct. Correct.

All right. But DoorDash's PR person took offense to the idea that people suggested that it was staged. And the thing is, it's like, no one says this is staged. Why are you like, I don't know. He went off and he went off the deep end. I like what you said in your article. You said this is an unforced error. It's exactly that because the first rule of crisis communication, which this didn't even have to be a crisis, but he made it a crisis by making himself the story completely unnecessarily. It's like just this will pass. Like, first of all, if you want to go to the politics, Right, right, just ignore it, just ignore it.

something else will happen. Like he'll order Starbucks and then the Starbucks person will show up through door. Like they'll move on. Like it'll be a different story very, Yeah. Yeah. very soon. I mean, it wasn't even like hours later that the You know the head of the center for medicare Whatever says that the president believes the diet coke will cure cancer or something like that Like you could have just like been quiet and no one would have been talking about this story But you decided to take on all these people and take and it's like Be quiet.

he felt this obligation to defend this person like no People would have moved Yeah.

Yeah. People, yeah. That's the problem. on and I think if you're the main character on twitter Which everyone's goal should not be to be the main character. I promise you just please take my personal experience from this. You don't want to be Jason was the main character on Twitter one day the main character on Twitter. Like if you could go your whole life without being the main character on Twitter, it'll be a happy life for you. So you should especially if your job is to be the PR person for a brand. No, you should not be the main character. And I think, yeah, people aren't familiar, like, the idea of the main character on Twitter is, like, not a good thing. If you're the main character, it's because you did something dumb, or you, like, Justine Sacco'd and you tweeted something really stupid. But I... I think we are a little different here. I don't know. When someone replies to me personally and tries to either, like, correct something I said or, like, attacks...

my knowledge about something, it is a struggle. I know if I ignore it, everything's better overall, but sometimes I do choose to respond. there was actually a comment on the latest Mac Power Users episode where we talked about Apple HomeKit. And in that episode, I say that the new Acara G200 Video Doorbell is the first power over ethernet HomeKit Secure Video Doorbell. And someone commented like, It's obvious there's so many things wrong in this episode. You obviously don't know anything. This is not the first power of reethernet doorbell. And it bothered me because he was actually correct. ~ The first one was actually a Robin Pro line, which no one has ever heard of. It costs $1,500 and it hasn't been updated in five years. And I could have made the argument of like the Acura one was the first in all the things. It has thread. It has 2K like It is the first in a lot of areas. The one aspect of power re-therminated was not first. But I felt like responding because I found the timestamp of me talking about the Robin Proline video doorbell specifically in an old HomeKit Insider from five years ago. And I was like, you know what, you're right, buddy. But here's how long I've been covering it. Here's a link to me talking about that exact doorbell five years ago. And I was like, I don't know. Maybe I should have just ignored him. But sometimes I do that. I know. Well, I don't ignore a lot of people but there is but hold on know.

there's actually three things I'm to say really quickly here as long three things, okay. as I don't forget them The first one is the PR person from door dash was not responding to people who responded to him He was literally just searching for mentions of door dash on x and then just responding to those people out of the blue He's just dropping into people's replies all mad about whatever they Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that.

said about door dash and this person and whatever that's like that's bananas Don't do that, especially if you're supposed to be the PR person Yeah, don't do that.

Secondly, there is a measure you should have. There's like this filter in the back of your mind of like, what will the pain be if I do respond to this versus what satisfaction will I get out of responding to this? And you do have to like be able to gauge that and just sort of judge like what you should respond to. And sometimes like the only response is like, you seem nice, right? Like you don't want, you can just, and it will get it out of you because. And because the third thing is, this is just how some people make it through their day is, I know a thing and that person was wrong and they have a platform. So if I pointed out that makes me better than them, like just let them have it. Sometimes you just know when I say let them have it. I mean, let them have in their mind their superiority. Don't let them have it like punch them in the mouth. Right. And sometimes silence is the best comeback. And. Absolutely, Because then, yeah. because there was a person who kept responding to some of our videos about how basically the MacBook Neo is. Satan spawn and should never exist in anyone who says that it is I think the person actually said that my family might get into a car accident because I was a liar. ~ yeah, it's real real bad. really? I missed that.

And I was like, Yeah, I don't think I'm responding anymore because you are clearly unwell. No, no, no Yeah, no clearly no comments like that. Yeah, but like I also had The stupidest video go viral recently which I shared my speed test of like seven gigabits And it has a million views on instagram and a million views on tik tok and so obviously there's a ton of comments and like To be fair most people are either funny or nice and our our audience is amazing and like we rarely get that these kinds of comments one guy And you never know what attitude is really behind it. But one guy commented, well, at least I have hair. I was like, well, my internet speed blew mine off. And I felt like that was a reasonable enough comeback, and I moved on. That's pretty good, That's pretty good. stuff like that. I guess, yeah, when someone is like, you obviously don't know what you're talking about about Smart Home, I'm like, bro. But there's also no point in defending it, so I don't know. Yeah, I mean, there are times. So, OK, here's I don't know why we're spending this much time. Sorry. But there are times when I feel like someone is sincerely contrarian, meaning they're pointing out something, but they're they just they're sincere about it and they think they're helping Yeah. Right. you in a way. Right. Like it's not the you moron. Whatever. How could you miss something so obvious? Right, right, right, Those I tend to ignore. But the ones who are like sincere, I'll be like, yeah, because. Yeah. people don't seem to understand that you can't possibly include all of your knowledge in one video. And they think the same thing about every 600 word article that I write is like, Yeah. let me just point you to like the 42 other times I wrote about that, like Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, it's tough. Anyway, this is what it's like to create stuff online, in case you were wondering. So, I don't know, I just need to get that off my chest, I guess. all right, let's take... I'm glad you have a podcast because that's how we do it. That's literally what it's for. All right, a couple of... I don't know about lightning round, we'll see how fast we get through these, but Apple is some Siri engineers to an AI coding boot camp. I thought this was interesting for a few reasons. This feels like you got sent to an anger management class because you went off on the intern.

So this is the information is reporting it. Part of it seems like maybe it's so the Siri team can learn how to use tools like Claude code and open AI codecs for pro Jason vibe coded app. I'll teach them. I'll show them.

And so part of is that what I think this also reveals though is like while Apple has signed a deal with Gemini and Gemini will be powering, you know, the voice assistant come iOS 27 maybe we think that Apple still like. apparently is trying to get their own internal team up to snuff to maybe work on this stuff. And so, you know, Yeah. there's that question of like, Apple still going to be working on its own models while they're using Gemini in the meantime? It seems like yes. I mean, if they're sending engineers to a boot camp to use these tools, I imagine because they're working on Apple intelligence models. It also might be for like integration purposes, like how to integrate Gemini into iOS and things like that. But I don't know, it's probably a good sign, right? They're sending people. I mean, I read this as they want engineers to use cloud code to make apps Right. and they're sending them to a boot camp to basically figure out how to do what I took like 10 minutes to do, but I didn't have to unlearn anything. Like I didn't have to unlearn how to write code. true. And so I feel like this is what they're trying to do is like, I don't know that it's like learn how to make models. I think it's learn how to use.

I don't know. This is an interesting story because the fact that they're the Siri engineers says something. Right. I don't know. Like I'm not sure. It's interesting. Yeah, yeah. So interesting tidbit. That's from the information, but we'll link the 905 Mac article. Also a big deal. Amazon bought Global Star, which is a satellite provider for 11 and a half billion dollars in cash. Notably, Global Star was the satellite provider for Apple's iPhone satellite SOS feature. But some interesting points about like the number of satellites. So Amazon Leo which is Amazon Satellite Internet Service, which they have partnerships with people like Delta. Amazon Leo has 200 satellites up in low Earth orbit right now. They've aiming for 1,600 by July, so just in a few months. In comparison, Starlink, Elon Musk's satellite internet, has more than 10,000 satellites, so a lot more. And Globalstar, the company Amazon has just acquired, had 24.

like, like two four, like, like double dozen. Yeah.

And so global star had did not have a ton of satellites in there. But in acquiring global star, Amazon has said it has struck a deal, an agreement with Apple to continue providing satellite connectivity for the iPhone satellite SOS and now the Apple watch ultra three also the satellite SOS. So Apple will be partnered with Amazon for at least this one feature satellite connectivity. Well, and ~ Apple own, think, 20 % of global stars. So in order for Amazon to buy it, Apple actually, there's like a three way negotiation going on here because they, Red. and there was also, so basically Apple got paid to just not have to do anything. It's like they had to buy our share and we'll just keep using the service. Great. ~ I think it's interesting though, Right.

because it's pretty clear that Amazon is trying to mount a serious like fight satellite stuff. against Starlink. Yeah. Because Starlink is the default it is it was quickly becoming the default on there on airplanes United jet blue use them several Emirates I think uses them Hmm. and But then Delta didn't go with Starlink, which I thought was really interesting that they went with Amazon Leo Leo stands for lower Earth orbit They also just decided to personify it Right. ~ and turn it into their brand. That's fine ~ But yes, they have some catching up to do in terms of their constellation. They operate slightly differently, but regardless it is interesting because Currently Starlink is almost I mean they do actually you can consumers can buy them right you can buy the thing the small satellites They're really popular Yeah.

for people like who travel RVs Whatever you want to stay connected or if RVs, yeah.

you live in a rural area That just isn't served well by like wires in the ground. traditional. Yeah. Yeah, either fiber or cable or whatever. That's true But what Amazon Leo just got? was a billion iPhones. Now, not all iPhones are gonna support this, obviously. Except all of those people on iPhone Xs and XIs and XIIs still As iPhone 14 and newer, if everybody remembers.

are eventually going to be upgrading. Yay. So there's a billion people using iPhones. You just got the potential market that just dwarfs anything that Starlink could compete with. Yeah, but there's no monetary benefit to Amazon. Well, yet. And that was a point I was going to make. When Apple first announced the satellite SOS with the iPhone 14, they said it was going to be free for the first two years and then never mentioned how much it might cost in the future and hasn't since ever talked about what it would cost or have ever charged for it. And I think Apple just keeps saying like, yeah, you get free satellite when you purchase a new device. And but there's like No mention of how much this might cost to have satellite connectivity. Apple Watch Ultra 3 as well, like when that came out they didn't say cost. So maybe we'll actually see. Yeah, but Apple is clearly paying for it. Like Amazon is not just out of the goodness Apple's paying for it, yeah.

of Jeff Bezos is stone cold heart giving away free satellite service to anyone. For sure, for sure. So I'm just saying there is a huge monetary benefit to as and and you're right, like if it only works on recent iPhones in the most recent Apple Watch Ultra, that's. That's not that huge of a market, but eventually it will be as all of those people upgrade. Yeah. And so there will be real monetary benefit. And even still, even if it's not like we're just making cash off of this, you have locked out the biggest competitor in the market by having a billion users. competition right that is true I almost bought starlink because when we were building this house frontier and spectrum the two service providers were both like yeah we don't service your address and so I literally ordered starlink and it was like coming and when we finally got an address registered at the post office I called frontier fiber again and they were like yeah yeah we service yeah we're all up and down this tree I'm like why couldn't you say that the first time like But it's because we didn't have like a physical address listed yet, like in their system every time I called they were like, oh yeah, we're not there. So anyway, was almost did. It didn't, Your address literally didn't exist. So of course they weren't serving that address yet, I was literally sending them pictures of like the house being constructed. but I'm like, I know the address doesn't exist, but we're right here. Can you see this? But anyway, yeah. I can see your box in the ground. Can you just run another court? That's it. Well, the problem for you is that if you had gotten Starlink, there's no way you would have gotten those Internet speeds. no, definitely not. I also have a bunch of trees in my area, so that satellite would have to have been on a pole that's like 20 stories tall. That wouldn't have worked. But I think, Jason, you'll be excited about this news. I don't know if you heard about it. Did know you could turn off shorts now in the YouTube app? Yeah, but it's weird. It's weird, it's a screen time limit. It's like a parental feature, right? It's a parental feature. Yeah, Like, so you can turn them off on yourself.

basically you can set the amount of time you can spend scrolling shorts specifically, and if you set it to zero minutes, it will apparently hide shorts from your YouTube app. But it also is only on the phone. it is only on the... And I never use YouTube on the phone ever. I only use it on I only use it on my desktop. Really?

Like I know people use YouTube on their phone. I don't understand that. The only time I ever do is if I want to just quickly like I watch it wonderful.

either resume something that I had previously started watching or Yeah. I actually just mostly use it for history. If I'm talking to somebody about a YouTube video I found and I was like, let me go back so can send this to you real quick. That's it. I don't like sit down and be like, Yeah. let me watch Stephen's latest shortcut video on my phone. Well, those are pretty long. Yeah, I wouldn't do that. But like if I'm ever going to sit down at lunch and I You go out on my patio, I might throw on a John Green or Hank Green video or just see what's on the YouTube homepage. You go out on your patio in beautiful Florida to have lunch and then Yeah. Yeah. you look at YouTube. Well, I listened to it. Those videos aren't like visual type things. I listened to it like it's podcast. I'm saying look just get in the pool or look at the look at the sky. The full I knew both the time was I'll tell you know if I just throw some in my airpods anyway So that YouTube shorts is pulling you turn off. There's an Apple pay hack. I don't even saw this This is by the YouTube channel Veritasim that you say Veritasium excuse me Viritasium.

and so they partnered with MKBHD on this video and they have Demonstrated and revealed MKBHD looks very concerned in this video that there is an Apple pay hack that could allow someone to scam an amount of money from an iPhone even when it is locked. And they actually do it in front of MKBHD and he can see the $10,000 payment taken immediately. It's a hilarious video. I will link it in the show notes. Basically what this is is a Express Transit, the feature on your iPhone where you can set up a card in your Apple Wallet for transit. and you don't even have to unlock your device to use it. You can just tap your iPhone when you're getting on the subway and it will automatically charge without being unlocked, without even looking at your phone. You can set it up on your Apple Watch too. Well apparently the Veritasium figured out you can like write the script that runs and if you hold a device to an iPhone that's set up with Express Transit card you can basically make it do a payment, like make it do the process. and get whatever money you've specified out of it. Apparently this vulnerability has been around for years. ~ Like multiple years this has been out there and it's still not fixed even in the most current versions of iOS. So again, you would have to have an Express Transit card set up, have that feature on, and someone has to be able to like get close enough to your phone to actually tap it and then also might be running a script on a computer nearby. But it does seem like a pretty serious vulnerability Right.

for Apple to not have addressed it even up until now after several years. Yeah. I mean, I think essentially what's happening is if you can make a payment terminal act as though it's an express like transit terminal, then you can get someone's locked phone to do that. I think the only, the only thing that's fun about this is that like they took $10,000 from MKBHD. The flex there is that MKBHD on his phone has the ability for one of his cars to just tap to $10,000. yeah. Ten, ten grand, yeah exactly. Yes. So I mean, I imagine now that this video is out, hopefully I will fix it pretty soon, maybe in iOS 26.5, maybe it's a harder problem than I realized. Maybe that's why the Siri team's going to the code camp. yeah, so that they can just, Clog can take their $10,000 instead. Yeah, well hopefully Clark can help him fix it. We'll see what she turns out to be. Just today DJI officially announced the Osmo Pocket 4. It is a one-inch sensor, other improvements, and now does better slo-mo footage. Not available in the US. I was literally gonna buy it today because I use the Osmo every time I travel. You can't buy it in the US. It's not coming. Apparently it even has a light but I can't get it which is a... has a light.

A fill light. Can you get it on like Alibaba or something like that? I'll have to check. have to check. I don't know if this is because of the like import ban thing or if it's just I don't know. They're not releasing it in the US, but I don't know. Let us know if you can see it where you could buy it. You can click the link in the their X post, but for here in the US it just shows page not found. So can't get it. So is there anything about your current one that you don't like that you would want to buy another one? This is why people think I don't like technology because I ask these kinds The one of questions. Why do you hate the Osmo pocket Jason? I have one sitting in a drawer right over here. The only feature that I would upgrade for is if it could do 4K vertical video. Because right now I do use my Osmo Pocket 3 to film vertical videos and it crops it to like 2.5K because the sensor is horizontal. Yeah, the orientation of the center, And so if it doesn't, I did not read that that is a feature of the Osmo Pocket yeah.

4 that it could do 4K vertically. So I probably wouldn't upgrade. And the sensor's fine, like for what I use it for. Got it.

But when that happens... 4k vertical video then I'll upgrade I still export only 1080p vertical videos for reels and tik tok but I would like the flexibility of recording 4k so I can then crop it into whatever I want but anyway it's out there at least Yeah. if you're not in the US Microsoft is exploring open claw type agents in copilot I think I mentioned on last week's episode that I actually got to interview like the Microsoft VP over AI teams or whatever and he was talking about this literally as I was interviewing him It's actually for a sane box mini series podcast. The first episode is out there if you're interested, but Like the guy was interviewing. He was like, yeah, I got my co-pilot agent running over here. I got open claw running over here. So, okay Everybody's running agents. Okay, cool I don't know Is open claw just like the shorthand for rogue agents running on a Mac mini somewhere is that. I think that is now the term. Do OK. you know there's even a convention? ClawCon? Like... I do think that it is a con. Yes, but I think that this is I don't why do companies think that I don't I mean that this is a good idea Why do companies think what?

to unleash these things on to people like the outcome. The best case scenario outcome is amazing. You have a computer that can do computer things on its own on your behalf. That's just not the way it's actually going to work. You're going to have computers doing computer things that the computer thinks the computer should be doing, whether you like it or not. Well, so I've and suddenly $10,000 is missing from MKBHD's bank account. Clawcon is actually happening today as we record by the way in Ann Arbor Clawcon Oh Yeah, that's just down the road.

that's the end. You should go to Clawcon You gotta head out of there, I gotta go, see you, hang on.

but apparently it's all over there's a so clock on Michigan that's happening literally today Sao Paulo is 20. Yeah, it's all it's I would be thrilled if that thing would just destroy that Michigan Stadium. That would be amazing. What would the mid you don't like Michigan? Please just, yep. Oh I say I don't know. Listen, we might have some Michigan listeners reaching out leave us a five-star rating on review Let us know Michigan University, Michigan State your Michigan State guy Yeah, Absolutely. that's the most I just like the amount of brainpower I just used to make that sports ball of reference It was like open claw running on five Mac studios. you You need a nap. I Was I gotta shut down for a while The computer is, I need a new bird AI. I'm mixed. I'm impressed you got it right. Thank you. I'll put a link to ClawCon in the show notes. That's good.

So, it sounds like I've thought about, because Claude can literally control your computer now, just the Claude Mac app. And I've thought about the primary tech daily process, which for me means I literally open podcastconnect.apple.com. I click over to the show, I click create a new episode, I copy paste the title description, the artwork, the audio file. I do that every day, literally every day, the same process every day. And then I do the same thing in Transistor for our member full supporters. Same exact thing, same title, same description. I'm like, this feels like if I were to take the time to train something like OpenClaw or whatever, that I could just say run daily podcasts, whatever. and it could just do those things. And so I'm tempted to see if it is capable of doing that, but also terrified that it would just click around on my computer. Yeah, I mean, the solution to this is you pay someone $10 an hour to just do that. Because if they don't do it right, they haven't emptied your bank account, you just fire them. But it also takes, like the time it takes is very minimal. And like, if you were to watch me do it, I think it's probably under three minutes to do those tasks. Sure. So it costs you $10 a week. I will Venmo you $500 right now so you can But...

pay someone for a year to do that. And like it's fine, like it's not even, it is any tedious task. I try to automate. I first tried to automate with shortcuts and that works a lot of the time. If that doesn't work, I'll experiment maybe automating it with Claude Cowork. And just in my shortcuts live stream yesterday, I tried having shortcuts rename a bunch of files. Shortcuts are still not as good at that. It'll like duplicate names, have an error and then stop the process. And so shortcuts is, and like, You could try to build a shortcut that checks for names every time it's about to rename another file. It's a pain in the neck. Cowork with Claude does it way better, faster, and way less steps. So Claude Cowork, still good for things like that. But a task where you actually have to go to a website, like podcastconnect.apple.com, and then log in, that's step right there. I don't think Claude can do it, because I would either have to pass key authenticate with touch ID, or let Claude give access to my passwords extension in the browser and auto-fill my passwords for me and then also put in the six digit two-factor code to get into Podcast Connect and then it's like in my iCloud. It's in my Apple account. Right. That doesn't feel great. Would you let it do that? Okay, well, all right. No, not a chance. I mean, I also probably wouldn't have someone else do it because I don't really want anyone in my iCloud. Well, that's yeah, that's the thing and I was there was another task someone was trying to have me do and they were like ~ I was working with a tax person ~ Because taxes are complicated and now that I'm self-employed. I don't want to mess with anything myself So I have a tax person, but I use my Apple card to Do a lot of business things like if ever I buy something from Apple I use my Apple card because get 3 % daily cash and the tax person was like well You can give us an account to this you create a view only account for this bank account So then we can access that and then you have to do anything all year. We're just gonna handle your books I was like great and then like well, about this card? It's like, yeah Well, we just authenticate your card and then we can see all the transactions. We don't have X. Okay, great Let's do that and then it came to the Apple card and they were like, ~ well You can give us access to your iCloud account I guess because that's what you need to log into even the card dot apple.com website They're like, well, you can give us access to that or you could just download your statement once a month and upload that to our portal. I'm like, I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm not, I'm not giving you access to my iCloud account. that, is unfortunate because it's like Apple card. I would think that'd be a good feature. They have like for accountants where you can like give you only access to the transactions, but I'm just going to download statements and give it to them. So anyway. Yeah, that's probably a better idea. I think that it's just the true statement to say that our information architecture was just not designed for this sort of thing because You can you can decide I want to have a shared email box with my spouse and you know like whether or not you trust the person to just like Right. and it's your spouse or whatever or if you have an assistant you can be like I'm gonna give my assistant access to these three email accounts not this one definitely not like all of my purchases or whatever like whatever it might be And you like the context you have there is like it's a human being and so if I'm mad at the person or what or just there's a trust level but a computer is a computer and you're like I don't but you don't know what happens with the computer right like you just I don't know it's just weird also and Yeah, I can't look you in the eyes. I can't look, Claudio. I can't fire you I mean I can stop using you but by then it's probably just too late probably too late. Yeah, I can't look it in the eyes. You can't look it in the eyes and entertain it. And I don't want to. Unless it's wearing a Vision Pro. You know what? I'm glad you said that I don't know why, but okay. Literally rushed to do something before we recorded today, and I totally forgot to talk about it You can watch the Artemis to launch in 360 degree video on Apple vision Pro In the YouTube app I would encourage That's amazing.

you to do it It's a little underwhelming ~ Only because the quality is not great Like it's I don't know it doesn't it's not like Apple immersive quality. It's like I Don't know they put it into 360. I think like a couple hundred feet away from the launch It is cool to be able to do it. And so if you have a Vision Pro, try it out. It's in the YouTube app. You go to the NASA channel. Maybe this is why YouTube finally launched their app in the anticipation of things like this. But you should try it. I'd be curious your thoughts about it. All right. actually, I charged my Apple Vision Pro. Now I've got to update it because it's got a Vision OS update that I haven't done yet. All right, last couple stories, and then we're going talk about Jason's Vibe-coded apps. Wanted to mention, Apple did actually put some pressure on the Grok app. because of some of the deep fakes and inappropriate images it was generating. This was not public, but apparently Apple threatened to remove Grok from the App Store. And I guess they updated the apps to meet the guidelines, and obviously Apple has not kicked them out. Apple reviewed the changes and said that it resolved some of the violations. I think some people still discover that Grok and XAI does still generate some inappropriate images, but Apple did put some pressure on them.

you know debatable if it was enough pressure but they did Yeah, I don't know if this is a good look for Apple or not, to be honest, because when you read it, Yeah, I don't it's like they had substantially resolved its violations. Grok remained out of compliance. I don't actually know how those two things can exist in the same sentence, but ~ I just feel like, you know, Yeah.

only it says only after further back and forth that Apple determined Grok could substantially improved and approved its submission. I don't know. Like this is weird because this stuff just happens behind the scenes, you know, but Apple.

Does Apple care because it was violating it or because there was a lot of bad press? Well, and this was not even something Apple publicized, you know, this is a Verge story. No, I mean the fact that Grok was doing this was getting a lot of bad press. ~ right, right, right. Yes, yes, yes. I mean, I think that's why they did that. Yeah. So there's that. And last thing, Sam Alpen actually wrote a blog last week. And this is in reference to a couple of people have actually attacked his home, one allegedly threw a Molotov cocktail at his house. And I think there was a second ~ attack. So bottom line, like, that's not good. That's wrong. Like People should not be attacking Sam Altman, no matter how much you disagree with him or dislike him. And so he wrote this blog post, shared a picture of his family, and then wrote a bunch of stuff about what he's doing with AI and his genuine feelings towards it. And he also, he has some personal reflections. He also talks about some thoughts about the industry. Did you get a chance to read this article?

I did. Okay, listen, I don't know, old man personally. On one level, like it feels genuine. On another level, it's like, I don't know how you can write something and being the CEO of a company like OpenAI not be super like high on it. You he says things in his article like AI is changing the world. Like this is going to be the biggest thing ever. And maybe he truly believes those things, you know. This is not like a press release for OpenAI. This is like his own personal blog. And I also understand like he is hoping that writing this would limit or reduce the desire that people would have to literally attack his house, which again, it's not good people shouldn't do that. But I don't know, I was I was curious your thoughts after reading this article. Okay, I actually have four now. ~ One, you should not attack anyone's home with a Molotov cocktail. Okay.

Like that just goes without saying Sam Altman or anyone like you just like that's bad. Second, when you want to ask people not to attack your home, you should not include a picture of your baby. That's real, real, real, real bad. That felt a little... yeah, yeah. Like don't do that. And this goes to the third thing, That didn't feel good.

which is I don't think anything about this is genuine. And I think Sam Altman is a sociopath. Really? Really? And the reason I think he's a sociopath is he's like a pathological liar and he used a picture of his baby. Who would Stephen like, when people say mean things to you on the internet, Mmm.

do you post a picture of your family to like try to persuade them not to know they already threw Molotov cocktails at his house and you just remind people And nor do I have a desire to.

who's in the like, I don't that's completely bonkers but I think Sam Altman is a sociopath and that's why it doesn't click in his head. the think about this, the one of the last lines in here says something about once you see a GI, you can't unsee it. has a real ring of power dynamic. Are you like the eye of Sauron? Like what are you? What in the world are you like? That does feel.

Guess what? The moral of that story is the rings needed to be destroyed, Yeah.

right? That was the saddest of ones. The moral of the story isn't we should all have rings. The moral of the story is we had to take it to Mordor and destroy the ring because it was too harmful. And it should have never been made in the first place. Am I wrong about the moral of the story? No, that is absolutely correct. So why would you so you believe that sincerely, Yes.

then what are you doing? Like this is completely insane to me, That is true. which tells me that it's not genuine at all. Like, I just don't think Sam Altman is genuine about really. I mean, he genuinely doesn't want people to attack his house. Do you feel, and he, ~ but he apparently feels like- Okay, fair. Okay, yes, that's true. I will retract my statement that he's not genuine about anything, sorry. Well, and he apparently feels like writing this would lessen the risk of that. I don't think he would have written it. I don't think he has anyone in his life that could be like this might not be the right way to like this is okay. Here's the perfect example. Not it's not exactly the same thing because thankfully Hmm.

no one has ever thrown anything at my house that I'm aware of right. But there was a time we already mentioned it when I got to be the main character on Twitter for a day and my first instinct was I needed to write something Yes.

to like defend myself or whatever. And what I ended up writing was fine but I still shouldn't have written it because I could I wasn't separated from the fact that I just felt a certain sort of way about Yeah. that experience. And so I'm like, I have to write something in my editor was like, this is a good article, you shouldn't have written it because the only reason you wrote it was because you had feelings. And that's exactly what happened here. Right. And again, no one should be throwing even though I just said what Hmm.

I said about Sam Altman. I don't think any like he that's that's him like you can't like, there's nothing about the fact that I think he lies about a lot of this stuff that warrants any kind of physical behavior towards him. So you still feel like when he talks about AGI, like he said here, he is blowing smoke. Like he's not actually, like AGI is not some life-changing thing. He is saying that because he still needs to carry that line. So OpenAI keeps getting investments. Or do you think, like when you say sociopath, do you think A scenario I just said he's carrying the line for investments or B is he just so deluded that he truly believes it is the ring of power? Yeah, maybe that's better. Maybe that's fair. I should correct myself. Maybe he is genuine about this. Like maybe he sincerely believes what he's saying. But I think he is just the most online human being that there is. And so his perspective is just completely clouded by that. So that doesn't change the fact that I think he's like a sociopath. Right.

And just to be clear, sociopath doesn't mean evil. Right. right? It means there's a disconnect between their perception of reality and the way that they portray reality and actual reality. think that any like, we've heard enough stories recently, we've read enough stories recently about Sam Altman to be like, Yes.

I think this is probably the case, right? The New Yorker profile, which I don't even understand how he like contributed why he even a lot like participated in that was not a flattering thing. Correct. So that and we did not talk about that last week and then I heard, you know, the Vergecast talk about it, Dithering, they talked about it. And honestly, like we should have linked that last week. This was the New Yorker profile, which is a horrifying AI generated image as this headline. But it's Sam Altman may control our future. Can he be trusted? It is an extremely lengthy profile. I believe it's like one. It's like 30,000 was very long. It's like 30,000 words.

It's 15,000 maybe. don't know. ~ But if and it is behind the paywall ~ so You go okay you read an Apple News. but you can read it in Apple News.

I'll find the Apple News link for everybody Yeah, and Sam Holman in his blog post personal blog post. This is not on the opening I website he called it an incendiary article Now people on X gave him heat for that because it's like is this incendiary or is this just a profile that you don't like? because it's Right. sharing facts about yourself that you don't like. And Sam Altman on X literally said, I regret calling it incendiary. So I don't know, like maybe he is a sociopath. I also wonder, is he just so shrewd and not shrewd in like a positive way? Is he just so shrewd that he knows, like what is he known for? Raising money. He's known for being able to get lots of funding even if the promise is bigger than what can be delivered Is he just super shrewd and like because he posted on his personal blog post it appears more genuine But he is still using it as a platform to be like AGI it's the ring of power and we got it like it like there's still that element there and I don't think that has anything to do with people throwing Molotov cocktails at his house I feel like it's you know, he's just throwing that in there to kind of boast open AI again. I don't know it it felt weird Bottom line is, I think if it felt weird, the whole blog post, I think he was mad about this New Yorker piece and the profile. And I don't know, it's just weird to me. Yeah. Someone's going to comment and remind us that there's that what I probably was referring to as a psychopath, which again, I'm not these words sound super bad versus a sociopath, but psychopaths tend to be very charming, right? They do. They tend to be very, Sure. very, very true. They are. They they they are able to fit in. They are very cold, but they can mimic emotion very well. And if we know anything, Sam Altman is incredibly charming. Right. But so. Anyway, there's there's a difference there. I don't know. I think is he genuine? Hmm. It's it's just really hard to I don't think somebody who really felt deeply, deeply personally affected by the thing that happened would post a photo of their child on the because it's like, how many 10s of millions of people read that post? Like But is it also possible that however shrewd and intelligent he might be in some areas, he's also naive and like social and maybe he feels like, absolutely. And he's just too online. He just doesn't think. Yeah. I he literally said I hope posting a picture of my family dissuades people from attacking our house. He might genuinely believe that would help. Sure. I remember I came across just yesterday, ~ social media, like it was an Instagram post that, that, was like, this is interesting. And it doesn't really matter the context except for it was like a person who had five to 6,000 followers on Instagram. And there was a picture of this person with their family standing in front of their house, which whatever, but you could see the house number and the street number. Like never do that. You literally never. like, because they're just crazy people out there who will do things. I think MKBHD has talked about that, where he exposed an address in a video, he blurred it out shortly after, but weird things still happen when you're that public. And I've tried to be very careful with that, and there is one... I don't even know where Stephen lives. He won't even let me come to his house. That's true, I don't. I say, listen, we're gonna meet at this first watch, we're gonna eat an omelet, and then we're gonna leave. Yep. You came all this way, but no, You know, this is the closest you're getting. that's it. No, that's not true. ~ But I do, like, my address was actually in a video for a while, and some people are helpful, but then also call attention to it. They're like, hey, your address is at 45 minutes or whatever, and it's like, well, maybe don't say that. Right, maybe quietly send me a message. Yeah, you're send me message. And YouTube has this blur tool where you can actually blur an uploaded video and you don't have to re-upload it. So I used it to blur it out. But I do have concerns of like, I'm not popular enough for people care to come visit, you know, to come harass my house. Which I guess is positive. But I don't know, I don't know. I feel like he is a interesting character. And I don't know. I read that blog post verbatim and I was like, I don't know, man. I just don't know. It also feels like from Dario Amadei on Anthropic, have Sundar Prachai at Google, and you Sam Altman at OpenAI, and it feels like Sam Altman is the kid in the room. Smart kid. He is really shrewd in raising money, and maybe he's a good salesman. I don't know, are you a good salesman if the product isn't up to snuff? I don't know, but. Well, no, mean, a good salesman can sell snake oil, right? Right, because he saw ice to Eskimos kind of thing, but so I don't I don't know it was weird I need to read the whole New Yorker piece. I did not read that in full, but I don't know felt weird just felt weird It does give a lot of context to the whole fire not fired thing and the reasons behind that and just that he wasn't candid and a lot of that kind of stuff. And so I just I think on a personal level, this post was a mistake and adding that picture was a mistake. And it is it is surprising to me. That was, yeah.

that someone like Sam Altman doesn't inherently know that that's a mistake in that context. I just yeah. Well, the last thing I'll say, and then we'll talk about something happy, because Jason Vibe quoted to Maps is what I want talk about. I have been in situations where it is clear the leader does not subject themselves to accountability and place people around them with the ability to say no. And I'm sure a lot of our listeners and viewers probably work in places where it's clear like, OK, this boss doesn't have anybody telling them no.

and doesn't want anyone around them saying it's a bad idea. And it feels like Sam Altman is in that kind of position, where he does not have anyone around him that he is allowed to say, no, that's a bad idea. And even that clip that we actually talked about last week of him talking about how the moment before AGI feels like the moment before the pandemic. And you see these three other guys sitting at the table. And as Sam Altman is saying this, surely going through their heads, they're thinking, man, I don't know if you want to make that comparison. The same thing compared to Yeah But no one but no one says anything and I don't think those guys around the table feel like they could say anything And I don't know what Sure. kind of leader Sam all that is behind the scenes But in that moment if you look at those big dudes faces It's like I know that feeling that those dudes have and it's the feeling of like wow our leader is saying something Maybe not great, maybe kind of dumb I don't think that means what you think it means. I don't think it means what you think it means, but I'm also not free enough or don't have the ability to actually say something to change it. And so yeah, Yeah, no, think that's right.

that's what I've gotten from it. Thank you. It took me a while to get there, but I think that's my thought about it right now. All right, so anyway, let's talk about something happy. You made some apps. You vibe coded some apps. I did.

What did you do? What prompted you wanting to do this first? I don't like the phrase. I don't like the phrase vibe coded just to be clear, but that's what happened. No, that's exactly what it is. What do you call it? OK. I just don't like the phrase. I think it has a really bad connotation that was that it has a bad connotation because there are plenty of people who make software for a living who also have blogs and are like, don't vibe coding is a terrible idea. Who would do that? And on the one hand? I understand because I'm a writer and I don't think vibe writing is a good idea. Like AI slop exists everywhere. No, don't do that. I'm also a photographer. I don't think vibe photos is a good idea either. Yeah, it hurts. Like that I get that. ~ So I made two apps. I made them purely for myself. Right. So that was this would be like if I wanted to get my thoughts down Right.

in writing and I just wanted to talk it through with an AI chatbot. Like I think that's different than having a chatbot make you a product that you then would post on your website or something like that. OK. So I wanted there was two apps in the first one I did. Yeah.

Well, I'm going to actually talk about in the reverse order. I told you the first one I did was a note taking app. And the reason I did this is I use Ulysses. So this is not a replacement for that. That's my writing app. That's different than note taking. But I take a lot of notes. And for the last year and half or so, I've been just using the notes app, which is great. But the notes app doesn't have context associated with notes unless you put them in a notebook or whatever you might want to do. Tag them or whatever. Yeah. Bear has tags like there's that kind of thing. I know this screenshot looks terrible because I blurred out all the content of this. But you can see the the the if you're watching this, you can see. But if you're not watching it, that's fine. And essentially what I did is I wanted to note taking app that syncs things with my calendar. So there's the context of this is the meeting. Here are the notes for that meeting. And I can literally just click on anything in the calendar, which is down the right side. And it'll say, you want a new note with this? And I can create a new note. Now there is an app that does this agenda. I used agenda for a long time. And I had to stop because I hated the UI so much that it just made me angry every time I used it. Okay, but it was this exact like Concept where you could create notes directly from your calendar. So it syncs your calendar in This is just using event kit So that's just like Apple's native if you've logged into an account on your Mac You can just have it do that. You don't have to log in separately to calendars, right? And then it you can create notebooks so you can organize things you Yeah.

can ~ and as I went through this process literally I gave it like a paragraph of instructions and Ten minutes later. Yeah. And this was Claude, I had an app and I sat to be clear. Yeah, clog code. Yeah. And I sat there with my literally with my jaw, like, for like 10 seconds, like I could not believe that it had done this and that it was good. And to be clear, this is you have Xcode with Claude in Xcode, and that's where you prompted it. No, I just went to cloud the app and went to the code and it did it all. And it created the Xcode project. did all of that. So I didn't open. created the Xcode project. Yeah, I didn't even open Xcode until I was like, it told me, OK, now go and click command R to run it and you'll be able to. I was like, where what do I do? Whoa, wait a minute. And so then I. okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. So when I Vybe coded an app, I was going back and forth. It was before Claude was integrated into Xcode directly. And I created the Xcode project in the file and I had to figure out how to do all that. And I was copying and pasting code and it took a while and then I could run it. You're saying you prompted Claude in the Claude Mac app and then it did a bunch of stuff and the next thing you could do was just click run and that was it. Yeah, so I I'll send you That's insane. these so that in case you want to include them, but I said, I don't know anything about coding, but here's what I want is like, great. This is absolutely buildable. This is what I need. And it's like, what kind of layout do you want? Ask me a couple of questions. Then it said something like, are you using Mac? What version of Mac OS are you using? And then it did everything. It says it was done. And then it said, let me know how the build goals go. It if X code shows in years, paste them here and I'll fix them. And the first time it failed to build. So I pasted it in, it fixed them all. And then it worked. And I was like, wow, that's, it says, it says press command B again should be zero issues. Then hit the play button to launch it. And I did it. And it just all like. Worked and I had an app and then I spent like the next couple days like tweaking it So I'm like, okay Well, I want the note pane to be dynamic so that if I close the calendars It just fills that space and I made it so you Yeah, yeah. can open and close the notes view You can open and close the notebooks view. I added markdown support. It has text formatting It has the all the paste paste you and ignore style. It has remove formatting and Steven actually this is like the genius if you show that other Screenshot I added it up. So uses Apple intelligence. You can summarize your Meeting notes and it'll add it at the top and then it will create to do's From now, ~ this is actually insane because all I did here was our friend Nate had asked a question and I wrote my answer in the notes app and then I ~ Copy and paste it into messages and stuff like that. a and paste of it.

But I was like so I didn't this does not need a summary or to do's but I can then send those to-dos to things or to-doist, or I can add them to the note at the top of the notes, ~ my goodness.

like here's the action items from this meeting. Yeah, yeah, And if I do that, there's also a pane at the bottom of the main view for to-dos. So you can, it'll aggregate all your to-dos in one place. You can see right now there aren't any showing there, Artidus. but then you can individually. go and add individual to-dos to things. So like, let's say I don't want to add all these, but I have to, and it just constantly aggregates them. And if you check them off in one place, it checks them off in the other place. And once you send them to things, it will leave them in the individual note so that you remember that they were there, but it removes them from that to-do pane because they don't want two to-do lists, right? And that's all Apple intelligence on device just doing that for me. Wow.

It was insane that it just did this. That's nuts, Jason.

And then you can share it. can also, people, people were sending me messages. I'm like, well, they're like, well, isn't this the same as granola, one of our sponsors? But I think granola is based on like, it's like an Otter competitor, but it's local on your Mac. yeah, Yeah, it's like a transcribing, meetings, audio recordings. I was like, well, it would, mean, I might as well have a feature where I could drop an audio file in here. So I added that. And then I was like, Good.

also why, if you're going to have an audio file, you could drop in here. It could just record audio, transcribe it all on device and add it to your note. So it technically will do that. That's not the reason I created this because I actually write a lot of notes for a lot of things, for briefings, for all kinds of stuff. And what I really wanted is for those to be synced to my calendar so there's the context, be able to organize them in notebooks and then make sure that I don't miss any of the to-dos I need to do from those. And it's amazing. And I didn't write a single line of code. Jason, this is nuts.

this is for me. ~ Now this will let me use Apple intelligence. I actually switched it so the summaries now are coming from chat GPT. But so I actually, cause it did a better job than Apple intelligence did because if you have a really long note, the context window is not big enough to use Apple intelligence on device. Yeah. Right.

So I had to use the API, the chat GPT API. So I'm using that and I just created a settings pane and I can just tell it like which, which you could use Gemini, you you could use quad, you could use chat GPT. ~ And I think I put $10 of credit. on there and it's used like three and half cents or something like that. It's like it goes a long way. So Now, okay wait, the notes themselves. Are these living in like a proprietary database in like a folder on your Mac? It's just Are these... like notes. So it's just living inside of the app. So there's not a bunch of like markdown files like Obsidian. Nope, nope. can share, you can export them like as a Markdown file and you can actually use Markdown to create notes. Like it'll accept all Markdown formatting. Bye bye.

One thing I'm going to add is what like Ulysses and Bayer will do is it's like, if I have Markdown, can I just export it as HTML? Right, right, right, right. Absolutely, it will do that. It doesn't yet. ~ I could also just take this and I could Hit the share sheet and I could send it to you as a message and it'll just send you all the text right now because you don't this isn't there's no sharing between It's not like notes where you could share a note with somebody Right.

through iCloud So there's no iPhone app or iPad app, but they're probably will do that if I can figure out how to make the Well, I don't have to figure it out Claude code will figure out how to make Cloud will figure it out. Yeah, it something that syncs with iCloud and so you could just access your stuff it'll probably on your phone or whatever so add iCloudKit pretty easily. it'll do all of it. Like, Stephen, this is insane the way this works. Now, yes, I'm not a coder. I am a writer, so I could probably figure out coding as well. My point is, this is exactly what I wanted. And I said this before, I said, Yeah. I think that the hot take here, and this is not original to me, is that the killer skill is not writing code. It is knowing what the app should do. It is the idea.

and the ability to understand and internalize what the workflow and the user experience should be like, because now you don't have to write the code. You just have to know that stuff. So, which leads me to the second one, Yeah, man. You're right, because you vibe coded two apps. which is actually more mind blowing that it worked than this one. Here's what I wanted, Steven. When we're talking about stuff, I wanted to be able to easily be like, when did we talk about this thing? What do we have to say about whatever? I wanted to be able to like think of all that kind of stuff. I was like, well, the only way to do that is right now you could go to Apple podcast and you could go through every transcript and you could search them. Or do we have Mars on transistor like the transcripts there? Yeah, so that's the point. Some of them, it's complicated, yeah. Yeah. It's very complicated. I could download all the audio and I could transcribe them and like copy them into the notion. Like, wait a minute, I could download all the audio, transcribe them and then do something with them. It's like, well, Claude can make that for me. So literally the little arrows up at the top there is just an RSS feed point to an RSS feed and you copy an RSS feed in there. And what it does is it starts downloading all the episodes. It'll download five at a time and then it'll start transcribing them. And again, this is all just the whisper transcription on device that it's doing this. And once it transcribes one, it'll delete that audio. So you're not storing all of this audio Okay, okay. and it only downloads five at a time. So you don't need like 10 gigs of space for some of these shows. So to download them and then it'll transcribe them. And our show has 130 episodes. So it took like overnight. to do the transcription, but fine, Sure, All right. you do that once. And now when this episode drops, it'll just pull it in, because it's just looking at an RSS feed. It'll download the audio, it'll transcribe it. And then you have a chat window and you can just ask it stuff, Stephen. I can be like, yeah, this one is how have we talked about Peace.

how we handle screen time for our kids' devices? Again, this was a text conversation we were having with a friend and it'll tell you. Here's the things you said, it gives you a reference for when that date was, and then it shows you all of the episodes. And if you were clicking on one of those sources, it would just pull up that transcript and highlight that section in that transcript. ~ my goodness. And this one really took more thinking through because you can also, if you go back to the other view, just search, like it'll just, you click on any of those, it would just show you the transcript and you could just do a normal search, Yeah.

like an actual just search. through that like you would be able to do an Apple podcast and that's fine as well. But what it was doing is the chat window was showing up at the bottom of each transcript and I'm like, well that makes it look like I can only search the transcript. So I had to get it to change the user interface. Then I had to get it to like, I had to figure out the logic of, well if I ask a question, when's the most recent time we talked about the Mac mini, it needs to go back through, find all the instances of the Mac mini. But again, this is using Gemini. Even Gemini has a. token limit and if you have a show with 500 episodes, you can't send all the transcripts, right? So it first has to do a search, find the most relevant things and really what the LLM is doing is parsing your search. Wait, so Google Gemini is the search part of this app? So Google Gemini is the LLM part of this app. So what that means is when I say when's the last time we've about such Pachoo!

and such thing, Gemini is making sense of that. But you used Claude to build this one too. And the transcription is happening through Whisper, Correct. Yep.

which is OpenAI. but it's just open source and it's just doing it on your Mac. Right, right, and then Jim and I is parsing your request. So you have like all three. So this one you could actually pick, I made this so you could use Apple intelligence, which don't, you could use Gemini, you could use OpenAI or chat GBT, or you could use Clyde. You can just plug it in. There's just literally a settings pane that says drop your API key here for whichever one you wanna use. I just found Gemini did the best job of parsing the search query or parsing the natural language request, turning it into a search query, finding the relevant examples, and then delivering you back the information you wanted.

And this one, I'm like, this is a super niche product because literally the only people who could possibly care are like podcast hosts, but. No, that's not true though. I underscore David Smith literally has a website, I forget what it's called, it's like podcast search, where he transcribes several shows and it is a public search where you can just like, there's a little search box and you can search and Sure. it will just tell you what episode of what podcast that was mentioned in or that story was done. So like, it's pretty nice. I asked it, I said, could you just give me a list of all the things that Stephen has talked about having bought on the show? And it just did it. Yeah. That is amazing. listen, kudos. mean this is super cool. Like these are actually useful super cool apps and now I'm tempted to be like I couldn't get behind Obsidian because of that UI. Yeah. Oh, sorry, the the the this app will just let you when you transcribe things just like you just want to send all this stuff to notes or to notion or to obsidian. And you can just send all those transcripts to obsidian if you'd prefer to use it there. It was do it one click, Right, right, right. it'll just send it all to obsidian. I need to vibe code something. want to see if I can make a notes app that I like as much as Bayer for the UI but works with markdown files in the background. I think I'm going try and do it. I'm going try and make a better Obsidian. It's probably like not it's it's shockingly less difficult again the making of the app version one of this took not very long at all and then I'm like, All right. ~ well, if I hit command, command B, it should just bold things but that wasn't I didn't tell it to do that. So I had to go back and like build those things in if it's like, if I add the h1 header to something and I hit return, it should go back to body, you know, text and said, I want like five different Right.

font options because I don't necessarily want SF mono or whatever like Right, right, right. You gotta tell it all the things. you know what I mean a system font or something so you just have to think it through it's like if I hit command and it should just open a new note like it should just do that and then also this is actually kind of cool Right, right.

if and if something on your calendar is about to happen it'll just say do you want to create a new note for its surfaces that and says do you want ~ my word. a new note for that but if you've already created a note let's say you were taking notes in advance for your meeting it'll say you've already created this note do you just want to It's really cool. Wow, all right. This is very cool. This is very cool. will... People are going to want these apps, Jason. You can email the other guy at whatever our email is. PrimaryTech.fm. Yeah, the other guy, and let me know if you think either of these are viable apps. They are nowhere near ready to be available to other people because I didn't write any of this code, so I don't actually know what's happening. I would need to find someone to like QA these and make sure that they're okay, Yes. but yeah. That is wild. Well, very cool. That is super cool. And man, that gets me excited. It makes me want to try and vibe cut something. But anyway, email the other guy at primarytech.fm if you have questions or want him to publish these something. That's very cool. We're going to talk, Yeah.

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